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Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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> a profitable business is probably one that's serving the community well This argument reminds of the argument googlers to explain why placing paid ads ahead of organic results is better for the user: they say thay if someone can pay more for an ad than means that can get more money from the user, and therefore the user likes it more. Lol No, profit is profit, it doesn't mean anything else.

What’s wrong with that argument? Doesn’t getting more money from the user mean that the user is choosing to pay more, which reveals their preference?

Doesn't being scammed reveal your preference for getting scammed?

Sure it does. For some definitions of the word preference.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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> If the market were too small, the weakest would fail, right? Right? I find it interesting that we have sayings like this, and sayings like "the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent." > why should a politician need to step in to regulate, rather than letting the market decide? Because the market doesn't price in externalities. Sure the market will figure out which car washes live. But what abo…

The entire point of working for a living instead of e.g. subsistence farming is that you can simply switch jobs if it's not going well. As an adult if you can't weather a couple of weeks of unemployment you've seriously screwed up somewhere - probably overcommitting to expenses based on assuming that your income is guaranteed. The mindset that someone should be stopped from even offering a job because it might not be…

> As an adult if you can't weather a couple of weeks of unemployment you've seriously screwed up somewhere

Especially considering that back when "we all" farmed, the common amount of savings to have was an entire year's worth, since that's how long it is between harvests (in some climates -- perhaps half a year depending local variation)

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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> I don't understand the argument of designing a system to hurt a specific business type such as low value businesses. The argument is that good business spots are a limited community resource that it makes sense to tax, like radio spectrum. If you can make good use of the space you're taking up, go ahead, but you should compete fairly with other uses of the space. If anything taxing space use makes more sense than t…

> The argument is that good business spots are a limited community resource that it makes sense to tax, like radio spectrum. I'm not sure I follow the reasoning here. How does the existence of economic scarcity imply that it makes sense to tax anything? > If you can make good use of the space you're taking up, go ahead, but you should compete fairly with other uses of the space. But that's already inherent in the nat…

> I'm not sure I follow the reasoning here. How does the existence of economic scarcity imply that it makes sense to tax anything?

Land in the right place is not merely economically scarce, it's economic land.

> But that's already inherent in the nature of scarcity -- the more demand there is for a scarce resource, the higher the price is. So businesses making use of high-value prime real estate are already paying more for it. The law of supply and demand already does what you are proposing.

Supply and demand doesn't work for land because there's no new supply. No matter how much the price goes up, people aren't going to make more.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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post #351

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> I don't understand the argument of designing a system to hurt a specific business type such as low value businesses. The argument is that good business spots are a limited community resource that it makes sense to tax, like radio spectrum. If you can make good use of the space you're taking up, go ahead, but you should compete fairly with other uses of the space. If anything taxing space use makes more sense than t…

> The argument is that good business spots are a limited community resource that it makes sense to tax, like radio spectrum. If you can make good use of the space you're taking up, go ahead, but you should compete fairly with other uses of the space. If it's really such a prime desirable spot then that would drive up the value of the land to the point that the low value business wouldn't have been able to afford it?…

> If it's really such a prime desirable spot then that would drive up the value of the land to the point that the low value business wouldn't have been able to afford it?

The land continues to appreciate, so the business can hold it based on its value. Especially if they've locked in a mortgage at a low rate. The car wash "business" can profit through land appreciation, which they don't pay any tax on (another flaw in the regulatory regime), and free-ride while the spot becomes more valuable through the efforts of others.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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This completely ignores issues like food addiction (which is a hell of a drug - some of the, say, top obesity candidate genes are expressed in brain), an overabundance of sugar in the diet, and lack of anything that resembles a decent food culture. It is absolutely possible to maintain a quick and healthy diet on low budget - there are infinite reddit threads and substack articles on the topic.

> an overabundance of sugar in the diet That's literally the first point I listed. > and lack of anything that resembles a decent food culture. Yep. I mean, I'm European so I'm a bit biased - here over the pond, we associate American food culture with "tons of fat and sugar". > It is absolutely possible to maintain a quick and healthy diet on low budget - there are infinite reddit threads and substack articles on the…

> They can afford to buy in bulk when stuff is on sale, they can afford to store bulk supplies without them going bad, they can afford to drive a lot just to get the best deals.

In my experience, none of those three are that key at food cost cutting anyway. The key is choosing what to eat. If you make food at home out of cheap, nutritious ingredients, you will do well. The bag of beans that is only 1 lb and is at the expensive convenience store, is a much better deal than the 40 lb Costco crate of frozen pizza or something.

Beans, rice, potatos, eggs, oats. Start with staples like these and it really doesn't matter whether you are getting the name brand or the bulk discount....

> and lack of anything that resembles a decent food culture.

...ah, but here's the problem. If your food culture consists of habits around pizza and burgers, around eating fast food and heating frozen things in microwaves ..... if you never even learned to cook beans, in fact, never learned to even enjoy them and are grossed out by them, if you have no idea how to make a raw potato edible and delicious in 5 minutes.... then... yeah, you won't have any good mental "software" to help you easily feed yourself with stuff like the aforementioned. Instead you'll have to expend valuable time and energy on experimenting and learning new habits and recipes. Until you spend that time you are locked out of the cheaper food and locked into the expensive processed food trap.

> I'm sick and fucking tired of all of that. Fix poverty instead of patronizing those who are in direst needs.

And I'm sick and tired of both sides of this argument. Yes, fix poverty rather than patronizing thoese in need -- but acnowledge the real poverty is primarily cultural, not monetary, and tailor solutions to that, by somehow helping people relearn cultural food skills that were lost during the 20th century industrialization program.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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They're legit, and they make big tips when they work hard.

The comment I was referring to was talking about the UK, where we don't have a tipping culture in the same way the US does. >They're legit It is hard to know whethr they are working legally.

Oh, I thought you were talking about the establishments themselves, sorry!

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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Which encourages destruction of natural lands

Only if implemented naively. The idea of LVT is to put an economic value (i.e. dollar amount) on the fact that you're preventing people from using land. It's a market correction. If you want to express that some values are actually good beyond what the market is equipped to reward, then you need to correct further. In theory, this means that the government - acting on behalf of the public good, or its citizens, or th…

This requires further legislation defining what constitutes a "meaningful nature preserve," how the classification and tax credits work and change over time, etc. The government then has to fund it somehow.

Regulation is necessary in some cases, though it should be the exception not the norm. Regulation that requires yet more regulation should be avoided if at all possible in my opinion.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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post #514

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> The argument is that good business spots are a limited community resource that it makes sense to tax, like radio spectrum. I'm not sure I follow the reasoning here. How does the existence of economic scarcity imply that it makes sense to tax anything? > If you can make good use of the space you're taking up, go ahead, but you should compete fairly with other uses of the space. But that's already inherent in the nat…

> I'm not sure I follow the reasoning here. How does the existence of economic scarcity imply that it makes sense to tax anything? Land in the right place is not merely economically scarce, it's economic land. > But that's already inherent in the nature of scarcity -- the more demand there is for a scarce resource, the higher the price is. So businesses making use of high-value prime real estate are already paying mo…

> Land in the right place is not merely economically scarce, it's economic land

I don't see how there's anything particularly special about land that warrants construing it as something fundamentally different from any other scarce resource.

> Supply and demand doesn't work for land because there's no new supply.

I'm not sure that I agree that there is no new supply of land in an economic sense -- developments that increase the productivity of land use are functionally equivalent to those that increase the physical supply -- but regardless, the law of supply and demand operates the same whether the supply on the market is new or old.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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I really hate sounding like a broken record but this is just another instance of how low property taxes and the absence of land value taxes massively benefits low-value businesses. The real business of car washes is real estate, it's profitable enough to get 3-4x leverage with a low interest loan. TBH I think real estate used to have high information asymmetry between local residents and large investors; low property…

> for a depreciating asset. I don't see a correlatiopn between depreciation and the cleaning of the asset. My body for example started to depreciate after it was appr. 30 years old, but I still wash it every day. I think cleaning is an operational expense that does not support the lifespan of the object, it merely maintains an experience threshold. And about experience, I also never washed my car until I got kids: ca…

To some people, a car is essentially nothing more than an appliance for transporting people and things.

To others, it's a source of pride. They love driving a car that still look factory new despite being 15+ years old.

And others, it's a source of fun.

I'm in both of the latter two. I drive a performance EV because it's fun, and I really like it being clean and shiny. I got it wrapped in paint protection film, then covered in ceramic, to help keep it looking its best.

Will it help it maintain value? Not really. Certainly won't get any of the $6,000 I spend on the PPF and ceramic back. But I don't care. Not everything you buy needs to be considered an "asset" that you worry about losing value on. It's okay to buy things purely because you enjoy them.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

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post #466

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Which encourages destruction of natural lands

"Land" is shorthand for all of the natural resources on this earth. That means space, but it also means clean air and anything else extracted. Pollution and extraction taxes are different forms of land taxes.

Where does this definition come from? Quite a few localities have rules differentiating between land rights, water rights, and mineral rights to name a few.
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