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Ask YC: Colocation?

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Anyone have recommendations/information for US colocation outside of California or the east coast?

A resource which plots backbone servers and major datacenters on a geographical map would be especially helpful. The only two half-decent (emphasis on 'half') resources we've found so far are:

http://www.colotraq.com http://www.datacentermap.com

It would be nice if there was a Google Maps mashup or something better than DataCenterMap, but apparently that is (was?) considered a part of our nation's obscurity plan: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A23689-2003Jul7

Re: Ask YC: Colocation?

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Why not just use something like linode?

You don't own the servers at Linode. Colocation is putting your server in someone's data center. This is good if you have a large number of custom servers, but don't want to manage the bandwidth, power, cooling etc... yourself.

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Why not just use something like linode?

You don't own the servers at Linode. Colocation is putting your server in someone's data center. This is good if you have a large number of custom servers, but don't want to manage the bandwidth, power, cooling etc... yourself.

Of course then you do have to manage hardware failures.

Re: Ask YC: Colocation?

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That Washington Post article is excellent. It's too bad the student undertook it so close after 9/11... it would have probably been much better received, and perhaps even productized, today. I suspect he could tell a lot of large corporations things about their exposure that they didn't know.

On the topic of hosting, you don't say why you're not satisfied with the coasts, so I can't qualify my suggestions. Here are some unordered thoughts, perhaps they will send you the right direction:

1) Without doing a detailed analysis, I'd guess that Dallas is probably the best location to host a server outside of the Pacific/Eastern timezones. There are some very large colo centers (the infomart, http://www.infomartusa.com/ comes to mind) that resell space to large carriers/providers. Many providers peer with each other in these spaces, which is the internet equivalent of being at an intersection. Even if you don't colo at one of these centers ($$$) you're bound to reap the benefits from this, as your traffic will likely end up backhauled to a place like this anyway.

2) If you're talking about a decent amount of capacity (more than a couple rack-U or more than about a T1 of bandwidth) call a couple carriers and ask for maps. Sales often has maps / diagrams that are a little more detailed than the stuff you can find on carrier sites, and they'll generally be happy to give you some suggestions for spaces in the area that are served by their products (i.e. where they terminate).

3) Unless you're solving for a specific problem the variability of individual colo providers generally outweighs the differences in locations. That is to say, you'd be better served by a well run provider in your home city than a bunch of imbeciles 5ms from a PAIX peering point. Don't over-think the physical facility/location aspects.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't own the servers at Linode. Colocation is putting your server in someone's data center. This is good if you have a large number of custom servers, but don't want to manage the bandwidth, power, cooling etc... yourself.

Of course then you do have to manage hardware failures.

Unless you pay for your colocation provider to do it

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Why not just use something like linode?

You don't own the servers at Linode. Colocation is putting your server in someone's data center. This is good if you have a large number of custom servers, but don't want to manage the bandwidth, power, cooling etc... yourself.

Yeah, I know what colocation is, and am wondering why you would bother in this day and age. I could see it being worth your while if you were a big enough company to have a significant number of servers and the people to run them. But I really mean 'significant'. For most startups, being able to scale with something like linode seems more advantageous.

Re: Ask YC: Colocation?

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I used to be a customer of Data393 in Denver. Infact, there's quite a few good DC's in Denver. Data393 (data393.com) Via West (which has 2 more in SLC and 1 in Las Vegas) Internap (http://www.internap.com/contactus/seo/page964.html)

There is also ThePlanet in Dallas/Houston There is the DC in St. Louis that slicehost is in, I'm sure you could colo there, no idea the name.

There's ALOT of datacenters out there and most of them will deal on the cabinet level and up.

www.webhostingtalk.com is the best place for this stuff though.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't own the servers at Linode. Colocation is putting your server in someone's data center. This is good if you have a large number of custom servers, but don't want to manage the bandwidth, power, cooling etc... yourself.

Yeah, I know what colocation is, and am wondering why you would bother in this day and age. I could see it being worth your while if you were a big enough company to have a significant number of servers and the people to run them. But I really mean 'significant'. For most startups, being able to scale with something like linode seems more advantageous.

There are some applications which benefit from custom setup hardware (cypto cards, extra NICs, etc...), you may want more network security than the single network or double homed boxes on simple public and private LANs (you may need isolated firewalled internal networks beyond what you can get from leased host providers). You also may want to drop in some of the various appliances out there for stats/analysis, spam/virus protection, google search boxes, etc...
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