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Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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Post by throwaway11460 »

account42 wrote: post #216
throwaway11460 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a citizen of a small EU country that has voting power in the EU parliament near zero percent. They should do better, indeed, but what can I do. Much bigger fishes (even the banks) tried to convince the EU this is bad, it probably didn't even register on their radar. From my perspective, the regulation will always be bad, I can't do anything about it however hard I try, and so it shouldn't exist at all.

> I'm a citizen of a small EU country that has voting power in the EU parliament near zero percent. They should do better, indeed, but what can I do. You can bring this to the attention of other EU citizens so that they too badger their representatives about this. It's not like any individuals vote in a larger EU country is worth more than yours.

But a sentence said in German or French goes much farther than in Slovenian or Croatian.

Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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Post by bboygravity »

out-of-ideas wrote: post #183
bboygravity wrote: post #85

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I find it mind blowing that: 1. Samsung is able to sell phones like that legally. 2. People are not in jail. 3. Governments somehow think it's ok that random companies can see everything their citizens do online. National security risks maybe? Trade secret issues? It's almost suspicious to the point where I would start thinking those third party spy companies are possibly (US/5 eyes) government run?

well websites ad-tech have been very able to track mouse movement/location, characters pressed (but not submitted) for 15 years at least; people are fine with this fact too (even if its 1 or 2 monopolies that phone home - and then share data lol) android's have done similar for a very long time; customers have known about it, and turn a blind eye cuz its a new-shiney

Yes, but this "makes sense" considering that data is being sent to US companies that are basically integral part of the NSA by now.

So it makes sense from a US-gov perspective.

My point was that the Samsung spyware is sending data about (for example) US users to non-US companies and government (South Korea). I guess they're also integral part of the NSA by now. I have no other explanation :P

Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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Post by 1oooqooq »

fsflover wrote: post #214
1oooqooq wrote: post #212

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librem5 is a binary blob provider. and you mostly fell for a scam. they signed the same NDA as other OEM. your so called open source drivers are full of binary blobs, which ironically are just the chip manufacturer reference implementation code compiled, with little else. librem5 just shouts the lie louder. it's as closed source as any other device. like raspberrypi in terms of drivers. ...and I'm not going into the…

Did FSF also fall for a scam? Where are the binary blobs in PureOS, show us please. Yes, firmware is proprietary, but it's the best we have. You fell for the security nihilism: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27897975 There is no scam in Purism. I received all my devices, and they're as advertised.

the scam is the illegal investment emails they keep sending to everyone who purchased from them.

about fsf. well, the least worse is still just the least worse. doesn't make it magically open source.

Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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Post by throwaway11460 »

Nullabillity wrote: post #193
throwaway11460 wrote: post #154

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The regulation says that system integrity has to be verified. Some banks don't comply, but many (every one I use) do. BTW magisk has a way to hide from the apps, so that might be the reason - that doesn't mean there isn't a problem with the regulation. But 2 of my 3 banks see through that. And one of them doesn't want to load on LineageOS even if it's not rooted because it's compiled in some dev mode that might allow…

Every single bank in my country uses BankID, along with several governmental services.

Cool, but not sure what is the point

Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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Post by hparadiz »

Terretta wrote: post #220
hparadiz wrote: post #144

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Meanwhile I'm over here on a rooted android phone with no pre installed anything and a custom build of chromium that let's me have ublock origin on my phone. And RCS still works cause I guess they can't detect my old version of magisk.

I run u-block origin on my iPhone with Kagi Orion. What's your point?

If it's not open source and chromium based why even bring it up?

Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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Post by fsflover »

1oooqooq wrote: post #223
fsflover wrote: post #214

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Did FSF also fall for a scam? Where are the binary blobs in PureOS, show us please. Yes, firmware is proprietary, but it's the best we have. You fell for the security nihilism: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27897975 There is no scam in Purism. I received all my devices, and they're as advertised.

the scam is the illegal investment emails they keep sending to everyone who purchased from them. about fsf. well, the least worse is still just the least worse. doesn't make it magically open source.

Any source showing the illegality of the investment?

> doesn't make it magically open source

It does make the OS FLOSS, which is all they say.

Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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Post by TeMPOraL »

geraldhh wrote: post #163
TeMPOraL wrote: post #159

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> Buying their phone is more of a psychology thing, than 'I did lots of research and I bought a high quality phone'. For me it's more of "I'm no longer a kid so I don't have time to do lots of research". Samsung gets my money because their flagships are reliably good.

supposedly there will come a time after "no longer a kid" where due diligence is the among the top things worth doing

That's called retirement, where once again one has too much time and too little money.

Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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Post by bornfreddy »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #140
bornfreddy wrote: post #108

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> ...like LineageOS. But installing it is so difficult that only 1% of people have the technical know how to even attempt it... Aside: there is also /e/OS (or MurenaOS - their naming is inconsistent). It is basically LineageOS that someone else installs for you so you get everything in a package [0]. They sell many phones, but it also runs nicely on Fairphones if you want a phone that you can repair (there is of cour…

> It is basically LineageOS that someone else installs for you so you get everything in a package [0]. From what I read, Murena has a Google Play services reimplementation that isn't compatible with Lineage. Is that still the case?

No idea about that, never heard anything similar.

I use fdroid and aurora store for installing apps, and push notifications work nicely using microg. Of course microg needs to connect to G servers (no way around it), but at least it works and there is no G app running on the phone.

Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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Post by Nullabillity »

throwaway11460 wrote: post #224
Nullabillity wrote: post #193

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Every single bank in my country uses BankID, along with several governmental services.

Cool, but not sure what is the point

That it's not one tiny renegade bank breaking the rules.
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