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5-year study finds no brain abnormalities in 'Havana Syndrome' patients

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Re: 5-year study finds no brain abnormalities in 'Havana Syndrome' patients

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Post by immibis »

immibis wrote: post #19
jmyeet wrote: post #9

Everyone who looked at Havana Syndrome when it came out with a critical eye realized immediately it was a BS story. Sonic weapons? Oh please. Thing is, this sort of thing happens all the time. A prominent and current example is cops and fentanyl. If you listen to cops, they will tell you that just being in the rom with fentanyl can be deadly, breathing it in can be deadly. I'm not sure where this started but it's bec…

This sort of thing isn't unheard of. It's not like the USA wouldn't do the same to diplomats from other countries if it wanted to. It's not like every pair of nearby embassies and the host country don't have various radio beams pointed at each other all the time. You can easily imagine at least one simple possibility: Cuba replicated The Thing and is using a microwave beam to power it which is too strong.

Downvoters on this one should leave comments explaining why they disagree.

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Post by shadowgovt »

janalsncm wrote: post #38
fngjdflmdflg wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Crime is lower on pretty much every metric than it was 20-30 years ago where the last big panic set in the mandatory minimum mania and the carceral state exploded. Crime was very high in the 1990s though and it's regulation wasn't from a sudden "panic" but a steady growth from 1950 as it climbed from 5 deaths by homicide per 100,000 in 1950 to 10.4 in 1980 and 9.4 in 1990.[0] If anything there is more "mania" about…

Homicides in the US today are 7.8/100k, which is still above the 1950 number. I wonder what accounts for the difference. Globally, the US has a higher rate than other countries likely due to guns, but it’s not like guns were illegal in 1950.

Having an entire generation where most of the men got drafted into a World War tends to dampen people's enthusiasm for violence.

Re: 5-year study finds no brain abnormalities in 'Havana Syndrome' patients

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Post by tivert »

janalsncm wrote: post #38
fngjdflmdflg wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Crime is lower on pretty much every metric than it was 20-30 years ago where the last big panic set in the mandatory minimum mania and the carceral state exploded. Crime was very high in the 1990s though and it's regulation wasn't from a sudden "panic" but a steady growth from 1950 as it climbed from 5 deaths by homicide per 100,000 in 1950 to 10.4 in 1980 and 9.4 in 1990.[0] If anything there is more "mania" about…

Homicides in the US today are 7.8/100k, which is still above the 1950 number. I wonder what accounts for the difference. Globally, the US has a higher rate than other countries likely due to guns, but it’s not like guns were illegal in 1950.

> Homicides in the US today are 7.8/100k, which is still above the 1950 number. I wonder what accounts for the difference. Globally, the US has a higher rate than other countries likely due to guns, but it’s not like guns were illegal in 1950.

Could it be an urban/rural thing? I'm sure the US population was proportionally far more rural/small town in 1950 than today (on clear display from so many small towns depopulating).

Re: 5-year study finds no brain abnormalities in 'Havana Syndrome' patients

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Post by ineedaj0b »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #11
Aurornis wrote: post #7

> Yet sophisticated MRI scans detected no significant differences in brain volume, structure or white matter — signs of injury or degeneration In case it wasn’t clear: Neuroimaging can’t visualize every possible problem. They performed one type of testing and didn’t find anything. That’s not the same as concluding that there are no problems. It should go without saying that a clean MRI isn’t proof that other neurolog…

You can't for example see ME/CFS or Long Covid neural damage on a typical MRI but when you do autopsies you find a host of problems including complete viral RNA and intrusion of the immune system that shouldn't be there. Given the similar presentation of Havana syndrome to ME/CFS it would seem sensible to look for some of the similar markers of vascular brain damage with the process developed there by Jared Younger a…

I have heard you can see long Covid on an MRI. There will be more papers on it in the future

Re: 5-year study finds no brain abnormalities in 'Havana Syndrome' patients

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Post by fngjdflmdflg »

janalsncm wrote: post #38
fngjdflmdflg wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Crime is lower on pretty much every metric than it was 20-30 years ago where the last big panic set in the mandatory minimum mania and the carceral state exploded. Crime was very high in the 1990s though and it's regulation wasn't from a sudden "panic" but a steady growth from 1950 as it climbed from 5 deaths by homicide per 100,000 in 1950 to 10.4 in 1980 and 9.4 in 1990.[0] If anything there is more "mania" about…

Homicides in the US today are 7.8/100k, which is still above the 1950 number. I wonder what accounts for the difference. Globally, the US has a higher rate than other countries likely due to guns, but it’s not like guns were illegal in 1950.

The murder rate went up by 22% in 2020[0] but it had went down back to the 5 range in the 2010s. Here's the full chart from that PDF.

  1950 | 1960 | 1970 | 1980 | 1990 | 2000 | 2005 | 2010 | 2017 | 2018  
  5.1  | 5.0  | 8.8  | 10.4 | 9.4  | 5.9  | 6.1  | 5.3  | 6.2  | 5.9
>it’s not like guns were illegal in 1950.

true but even a murder rate of 5 is high compared to Europe and this is likely due in large part to guns largely being illegal there (except for Switzerland and seemingly also Finland)

[0] https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crim...

Re: 5-year study finds no brain abnormalities in 'Havana Syndrome' patients

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Post by ineedaj0b »

111111101101 wrote: post #17
richardgreeko84 wrote: post #16

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It seems to be a uniquely American thing. In my country at least (Australia), anything that benefits the common man isn't labelled as communism. It's probably related to hysteria induced by McCarthyism.

Australia is particularly strange.

The US tries hard to paint democracy as a positive world wide. I would imagine the CCP would paint themselves a good position too.

If you were in a position of power in the CCP, who wouldn’t push for positive propaganda to all nearby territories?

All innocent Australians should realize they are consuming proChinese and proAmerican /foreign/ propaganda.

I would argue the Chinese are focusing more resources in Australia compared to the US. The US is busy with Russia and Europe and likely will be for the next 10-15 years

Re: 5-year study finds no brain abnormalities in 'Havana Syndrome' patients

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Post by SuperNinKenDo »

People like to believe in medical "certainty". This kind of headline is just a symptom of that. All this headline really means is that it has failed to find where the abnormalities are, but we translate not finding brain abnormalities, to there being none. This is why you need to be your own advocate when it comes to your health, you can't allow yourself to be talked down because some arbitrary test tells you you're not experiencing what you are. Unfortunately, most people only find this out the hard way.

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Post by speed_spread »

jmyeet wrote: post #9

Everyone who looked at Havana Syndrome when it came out with a critical eye realized immediately it was a BS story. Sonic weapons? Oh please. Thing is, this sort of thing happens all the time. A prominent and current example is cops and fentanyl. If you listen to cops, they will tell you that just being in the rom with fentanyl can be deadly, breathing it in can be deadly. I'm not sure where this started but it's bec…

A possible source for the aiborne fentanyl story: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisi...

Re: 5-year study finds no brain abnormalities in 'Havana Syndrome' patients

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Post by whoopdedo »

ineedaj0b wrote: post #46
111111101101 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be a uniquely American thing. In my country at least (Australia), anything that benefits the common man isn't labelled as communism. It's probably related to hysteria induced by McCarthyism.

Australia is particularly strange. The US tries hard to paint democracy as a positive world wide. I would imagine the CCP would paint themselves a good position too. If you were in a position of power in the CCP, who wouldn’t push for positive propaganda to all nearby territories? All innocent Australians should realize they are consuming pro Chinese and pro American /foreign/ propaganda. I would argue the Chinese ar…

> I would argue the Chinese are focusing more resources in Australia compared to the US.

It's in their interest to influence Australian politicians since that's where all the TLAs intercept Chinese communications from.

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