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Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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> It might be that a Windows expert could fix every issue you’ve listed and more. So in other words, it doesn't "just work."

Wasn’t that Apple’s tagline?

The original comment claimed that Windows "just works" while Linux doesn't. Which can't be more false in 2024.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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This is absolutely false. I run dual-boot Windows and Linux on hardware that has 100% Linux support. Windows just works, the same cannot be said for Linux unless all you do is use a browser and listen to Spotify.

Let me take a guess: You have exclusively used Debian-family distros. Try a desktop distro like Fedora. Debian-family is a server distro that got famous after Conical/Ubuntu did marketing really hard. Ubuntu is the Apple of Linux, they are famous from marketing, not quality.

I have used all distributions. They all have their own pain points. Debian-based distributions are actually the most painless in my experience.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Well I can run Mac OS in Proxmox nowadays so that's killed the "bare matel" Hackintosh for me. Yes it takes time to set it up (once!) but I much prefer KVM now than fiddling with hardware https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68R2SdbFj-8

Yep, this is exactly what I do. It's nice to be able to use Messages from my desktop, plus it fulfills an edge case of 2-way backup with Synology Drive and iCloud for me

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Back in my youth, when I was time rich and cash poor, this kind of tinkering was fun and a good way to improve the machine I was using. Now that I have more disposable cash, but waaay less time, I couldn't imagine "wasting my time" doing this sort of thing. These days I want to -use- the computer, not spend time trying to convince it to work. Incidentally it's the exact same journey with my cars. 35 years ago I was f…

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Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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I don’t get the point about the price/performance ratio being better. Mac Studio are really expensive compared to a powerful PC

Running macOS on Apple Silicon is very fast compared to running it Intel. This is due to the RISC architecture and tight integration of the components in the SoC. To run it as fast on Intel would cost more than the price of a Mac Studio.

Can you point to any source supporting that point? All the benchmarks I’ve seen say the opposite, a Mac Studio wins on power consumption but is way more expensive compared to PC parts

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

#526

Back in my youth, when I was time rich and cash poor, this kind of tinkering was fun and a good way to improve the machine I was using. Now that I have more disposable cash, but waaay less time, I couldn't imagine "wasting my time" doing this sort of thing. These days I want to -use- the computer, not spend time trying to convince it to work. Incidentally it's the exact same journey with my cars. 35 years ago I was f…

People have been making this argument to me about Linux for more than 25 years. The most cutting version that I ran across was: > Linux is only free if your time is worthless! Something never quite sat right with me about this argument, and your comment finally made me understand what it is: the understanding you gain from tinkering is priceless, and it's exactly the experience that you use to help everyone around yo…

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Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Apple silicon is unfortunately still at a premium. I was shopping around for used M1 mac minis and a 16gb model (minimum acceptable imo) was like $500-600 second hand. You can get an 8th or 9th gen off lease computer for like $100-200 that is close enough to the m1, sometimes with 16gb already in there with the option to add in 128gb, multiple drive bays, pcie, etc.

9th gen intel? According to geekbench 6[0] the m1 is between 2x-5x faster with better battery life, so depending on your workload, it's quite possibly not close enough. [0]: https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks/

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Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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post #60

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Apple silicon is unfortunately still at a premium. I was shopping around for used M1 mac minis and a 16gb model (minimum acceptable imo) was like $500-600 second hand. You can get an 8th or 9th gen off lease computer for like $100-200 that is close enough to the m1, sometimes with 16gb already in there with the option to add in 128gb, multiple drive bays, pcie, etc.

9th gen intel? According to geekbench 6[0] the m1 is between 2x-5x faster with better battery life, so depending on your workload, it's quite possibly not close enough. [0]: https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks/

I look at technical specs, not benchmarks.

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-apple_m1-vs-intel_...

For example I5 9th gen vs M1 here. 9th gen has 2 fewer cores (although 9700 is the same, and 10th gen doubled the threads) and nearly the same clock speed. Graphically the M1 has more compute units but in the 8gb model the gpu is likely to be starved anyhow as it can only take on 8gb of the system ram. I5 listed here can take on 64gb for its igpu. 9th gen has better encoding abilities. Battery life, sure maybe, but I am talking about the mac mini here compared to an e.g. hp prodesk minipc. The 9th gen chip depending on what you have connected to the rest of the system could idle at like 6w.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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post #60

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Apple silicon is unfortunately still at a premium. I was shopping around for used M1 mac minis and a 16gb model (minimum acceptable imo) was like $500-600 second hand. You can get an 8th or 9th gen off lease computer for like $100-200 that is close enough to the m1, sometimes with 16gb already in there with the option to add in 128gb, multiple drive bays, pcie, etc.

> I was shopping around for used M1 mac minis and a 16gb model (minimum acceptable imo) was like $500-600 second hand. That's because a M1 mini with 16gb still has a lot of utility in it that hasn't depreciated significantly in the 2 years since it's been released. My M1 (8gb) is still happily sitting in a media consumption part of my day and is not showing any signs of age. I would be surprised if, for the role that…

On a mini pc like a lenovo you can have an m2 ssd, a sata drive, and whatever you hook into the pcie expansion slot. the hp mini pcs actually have 2 m2 slots along with the ssd, so three internal bays and two sodimm slots in a 6.97 x 6.89 x 1.35 box, so its technically smaller than the mac mini.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

#530
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This is the one 'creative' use case I know of where Macs actually are better - the lag and latency issues on Windows still seem pretty bad. I spent the last week shopping around for an audio interface and every single model had people complaining about driver issues and latency and "random loud static" or other crazy things when using Windows. Always Windows. Crazy stuff.

Except that Apple breaks audio applications with every new release of macOS and has for years. And, it's just a matter of time before Apple kills basically every DAW and VST when they finally kill off OpenGL on macOS. Edit: What I have said is true here, so I'm unsure why the downvotes.

Why would anyone ever use anything other than Logic Pro? /s
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