So now it's location streaming to the highest bidder from apps on your phone, the os of your phone, the service provider to your phone, and your car physically moving the phone. Turtles all the way down.
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#12What isn't spying on you nowadays?
my laptop. my camera. my non-gsm vehicle. my garage door opener. my television. my coffee machine. my fridge. my e-reader. my paper library. my turntable. my furniture. my firearms. my hand tools. my bicycle. my luggage. my stove. most of my tools aren’t spying on me. this sort of “privacy is impossible, we shouldn’t fight privacy invasions” is defeatist and toxic imho.
Other replies have made good points I agree with, but another way of looking at this is what "spying on me" means.
For example, is bookmark sync "spying"? I would say no, but many would say yes simply because that sync goes through someone else's machine. If the browser vendor uses aggregated domain popularity across bookmarks to inform their browser testing, is that now spying on me? Maybe, but the term "spying" has significant negative connotations that still don't feel justified to me. What if the browser vendor uses those bookmarks to target personalised information about browser feature improvements, is that now spying? I might find that a bit weird, but there's still an arguable user benefit there, and if that happened on device it's not really any different to most offline data analysis.
"Spying" really is a wide spectrum, from things that greatly benefit users with no privacy downside, to things that greatly benefit service providers with no user benefit. It's a nuance discussion that is worth having – just because something syncs to a server doesn't mean it's not worth doing, just because something is end to end encrypted doesn't mean it's not spying on you.
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#13The New York Post is not a reliable source.
Sorry I’m unfamiliar. Why?
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#14Is Toyota still the largest US automaker by sales? Curious they were not mentioned in the article.
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#15Hot take: rapid acceleration and braking are symptoms of bad driving, and bad driving should come with barriers to being on the road with us and landing in our insurance pools.
Driving information is fine to collect on public roads, and it should be ubiquitous rather than something collected in secret.
Meanwhile in Texas, red light cameras can’t even be used to give tickets anymore.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
my laptop. my camera. my non-gsm vehicle. my garage door opener. my television. my coffee machine. my fridge. my e-reader. my paper library. my turntable. my furniture. my firearms. my hand tools. my bicycle. my luggage. my stove. most of my tools aren’t spying on me. this sort of “privacy is impossible, we shouldn’t fight privacy invasions” is defeatist and toxic imho.
Other replies have made good points I agree with, but another way of looking at this is what "spying on me" means. For example, is bookmark sync "spying"? I would say no, but many would say yes simply because that sync goes through someone else's machine. If the browser vendor uses aggregated domain popularity across bookmarks to inform their browser testing, is that now spying on me? Maybe, but the term "spying" has…
I propose focusing on the worst part: information collection on a massive scale. Even if it is not used right now by a spy. They can use what is collected at this moment against you at any point in the future.
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#17So now it's location streaming to the highest bidder from apps on your phone, the os of your phone, the service provider to your phone, and your car physically moving the phone. Turtles all the way down.
Or it's playing cards all the way down.
I see the whole thing collapsing from bad PR and taking the companies down with it.
Good riddance.
And give me my stick shift back.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
oh boy… your laptop is spying on you 24/7 unless it is in the basement disconnected from the internet. your TV is spying on you unless it is black&white :) you e-reader is spying on you. your non-gsm vehicle may not be spying on you directly but thosands or license plate readers all over the place are…
Are you sure? Or do you mean that you don't know how to stop those things? My kindle WiFi is permanently off. I use a usb cable. It stops it from downloading adverts to p*ss me off. My projector doesn't have a WiFi chip. It has an hdmi cable to my laptop. My laptop runs a pared down Linux, the only thing on it that spies on me is Google Chrome. That's a trade-off I'm comfortable with, since I use pihole to block the…
Do you know what basic OS runs on your network card? Bios? Wifi router? Internet provider's whole infrastructure with built-in advanced deep packet inspection?
It has been mentioned here in the past - in US there comes a guy (some 3-letter agency, probably NSA), installs new black box at ISP, and goes, nobody has a clue what that thingie does, mandated by law. That was before providers decided to just sell data themselves too (scrubbed probably, but not nearly well enough).
I get you have most of the stuff covered, fine for you, but its nowhere near 100%. And literally any phone out there is like swiss cheese all the way down to wifi chip OS from ie Broadcom.
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Are you sure? Or do you mean that you don't know how to stop those things? My kindle WiFi is permanently off. I use a usb cable. It stops it from downloading adverts to p*ss me off. My projector doesn't have a WiFi chip. It has an hdmi cable to my laptop. My laptop runs a pared down Linux, the only thing on it that spies on me is Google Chrome. That's a trade-off I'm comfortable with, since I use pihole to block the…
Do you know what basic OS runs on your network card? Bios? Wifi router? Internet provider's whole infrastructure with built-in advanced deep packet inspection? It has been mentioned here in the past - in US there comes a guy (some 3-letter agency, probably NSA), installs new black box at ISP, and goes, nobody has a clue what that thingie does, mandated by law. That was before providers decided to just sell data thems…
What's your threat model? Are you planning to bring down the US empire? If so, why are you using IT at all? Carrier pigeons and one time pads might be the only safe method of communication in that case.