Microsoft is giving Copilot users access to GPT-4-Turbo for free • Hacker News Board

Re: Microsoft is giving Copilot users access to GPT-4-Turbo for free

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Post by DeepPhilosopher » Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 7:43 AM UTC

xyst wrote: post #19

Get users hooked with free access. Wait few years. Start having lawyers tweak terms of service. Charge corporate customers a shit ton of money as free users sell their junk. Yank “free” tier, with none to minimal notice due to ToS. Cite limited resource constraint. Stick previously free users with $99/month access. MSFT stock pumps hard for the next few years.

The fact that MS is doing this could be a sign that most people just don't find much utility in these AI tools.

Like you said, they're trying to get people hooked.

But if AI isn't any useful to people in the first place, this goes nowhere and they're still stuck with a low/decreasing amount of users.

Re: Microsoft is giving Copilot users access to GPT-4-Turbo for free

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Post by stuaxo » Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 10:10 AM UTC

etbebl wrote: post #13

firecall wrote: post #7

Is this the same as the Copilot that is in VSCode via the Extensions? It's possibly confusing, or just very simple. I'm not sure :-D

I believe Microsoft reused the Copilot brand that it acquired from GitHub for its AI assistant which is embedded in Windows, Bing, and apparently now Office. GitHub Copilot also still exists but is a different product.

"Copilot" is fast becoming what "dot Net" was to their branding.

Re: Microsoft is giving Copilot users access to GPT-4-Turbo for free

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Post by bionhoward » Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 10:52 AM UTC

xyst wrote: post #19

Get users hooked with free access. Wait few years. Start having lawyers tweak terms of service. Charge corporate customers a shit ton of money as free users sell their junk. Yank “free” tier, with none to minimal notice due to ToS. Cite limited resource constraint. Stick previously free users with $99/month access. MSFT stock pumps hard for the next few years.

They don’t need to tweak them, the terms are already totally fucked, they are explicitly anticompetitive terms.

Re: Microsoft is giving Copilot users access to GPT-4-Turbo for free

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Post by bionhoward » Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 10:54 AM UTC

mdekkers wrote: post #20

Given the ongoing issues with ChatGPT (slow and _incredibly_ lazy) and all the copilot nonsense, as well as my growing aversion of how MS are muscling in on this space, I’m about to make a wholesale switch to Claude for my API and chat access

I recommend mistral because you can use it for AI development while Anthropic explicitly forbids use to develop AI.

Re: Microsoft is giving Copilot users access to GPT-4-Turbo for free

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Post by anizan » Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 11:34 AM UTC

hackerlight wrote: post #9

Foreboding of GPT-4.5 release?

I suspect that it's got to do with excess availability of compute. Usage hasn't grown past the initial novelty wave and enough enthusiast programmers are recently talking about how Claude 3 performed better in their usage.

Re: Microsoft is giving Copilot users access to GPT-4-Turbo for free

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Post by inhumantsar » Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 1:23 PM UTC

adastra22 wrote: post #10

jazzyjackson wrote: post #5

i wasn't aware there was a free tier of Copilot, from reading the article it sounds like an entirely different product than Github Copilot, right?

Yes, totally different. If you use windows, there’s a pane in their Edge browser that opens up an AI chat window. You can use it for most of the things you get with paid OpenAI subscription, but it’s free for every windows user. They call it Copilot.

it's also baked into windows 11 (insider's build maybe?) as a taskbar button

Re: Microsoft is giving Copilot users access to GPT-4-Turbo for free

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Post by zaphirplane » Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 1:30 PM UTC

sakjur wrote: post #18

adastra22 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, totally different. If you use windows, there’s a pane in their Edge browser that opens up an AI chat window. You can use it for most of the things you get with paid OpenAI subscription, but it’s free for every windows user. They call it Copilot.

There is also a Copilot app that you can use from your phone.

The one named bing ? Or is there another one

Edit how lazy is the question, found the stand alone app

Re: Microsoft is giving Copilot users access to GPT-4-Turbo for free

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Post by alargemoose » Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 1:46 PM UTC

inhumantsar wrote: post #26

adastra22 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, totally different. If you use windows, there’s a pane in their Edge browser that opens up an AI chat window. You can use it for most of the things you get with paid OpenAI subscription, but it’s free for every windows user. They call it Copilot.

it's also baked into windows 11 (insider's build maybe?) as a taskbar button

Most recent major feature release has it now (I don’t know what they call them anymore) but it showed up in my taskbar after an update maybe just over a month ago.

Re: Microsoft is giving Copilot users access to GPT-4-Turbo for free

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Post by goatmeal » Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 2:14 PM UTC

bionhoward wrote: post #24

mdekkers wrote: post #20

Given the ongoing issues with ChatGPT (slow and _incredibly_ lazy) and all the copilot nonsense, as well as my growing aversion of how MS are muscling in on this space, I’m about to make a wholesale switch to Claude for my API and chat access

I recommend mistral because you can use it for AI development while Anthropic explicitly forbids use to develop AI.

you get chatgpt-4-turbo, claude 3, and mistral large all through a kagi ultimate subscription but it's still in beta.

Re: Microsoft is giving Copilot users access to GPT-4-Turbo for free

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Post by pseudocomposer » Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 5:26 PM UTC

xyst wrote: post #19

Get users hooked with free access. Wait few years. Start having lawyers tweak terms of service. Charge corporate customers a shit ton of money as free users sell their junk. Yank “free” tier, with none to minimal notice due to ToS. Cite limited resource constraint. Stick previously free users with $99/month access. MSFT stock pumps hard for the next few years.

Given the relative simplicity of integrating LLM autocomplete into OS text fields (compared to other integrations supported in modern OSes), I would be shocked if a state entity with balls (like the EU) doesn’t introduce laws enforcing that OSes must have open support for third-party LLM/generative text integrations.

That said, that’s almost certainly Microsoft’s short-term strategy until then! And probably part of why Apple made their sudden priority shift towards LLM features.