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Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by Aeolun »

asyx wrote: post #452
Aeolun wrote: post #335

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At this point I feel like Linux may be more likely to just work than a windows machine. I just had the unfortunate experience of setting up windows 11, and the number of ‘please wait while we get things ready for you’ was truly astonishing.

It's not. You can go and pick up any computer that is currently on the market, doesn't matter if it's 300 or 3000 dollars as long as it is a (n IBM) PC and it will run Windows. Will it always be flawless? No. Will it always work perfectly out of the box? No. But it will work and generally you have a good chance of it working as you wish assuming you are fine with Windows and what MS does with it. I bought an Asus Zep…

Good for you.

I’ve had literally zero of any of those issues in my past 4 years of using Ubuntu.

I had a hell of a lot in the past, so I trust I can judge when it’s reached “better than windows” level.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by Rebelgecko »

Adverblessly wrote: post #487
Rebelgecko wrote: post #317

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These have been pain points for me. Not saying they're impossible to solve on Linux, but it's nontrivial especially compared to Windows Change trackpad scrolling speed Set up suspend-then-hibernate GPU drivers (I have a box with an AMD APU and no idea how to actually utilize it) Many games (Proton is amazing and a huge leap forward, but om average it's still more work than gaming on Windows. eg fiddling with differen…

> Change trackpad scrolling speed If you're on X11, I think you'll have to use xinput to set it manually. If your on Wayland, in KDE at least this is available in the standard settings application. > Set up suspend-then-hibernate On KDE at least that's just one of the options in the power settings ("When sleeping, enter:" has "Standby", "Hybrid Sleep" and "Standby, then hibernate"). > GPU drivers (I have a box with a…

Alas, I'm using Gnome. There's a setting for changing scroll speed with a USB mouse but not for a laptop's track pad. I don't see anything for standby-then-hibernate either.

>Worked OOTB for me, do you have amdgpu drivers installed? What exactly isn't working?

Based on their compatibility list[1], it doesn't look like amdgpu supports my hardware (Richland chipset). Most distros I've tried don't even boot unless I add "amdgpu.dpm=0" in GRUB.

[1]: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMDGPU#Hardware_detection

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by TylerE »

baq wrote: post #435
indymike wrote: post #343

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I would never work at your company. I use my own tools, thank you.

My personal vim config on a company laptop? No problem whatsoever, neither for me, nor the company. A bittorrent client without preauthorization with IT and security? It's basically asking to get fired. My vacation photos on a company laptop? Tricky - not a huge deal but not recommended. Better upload them to your cloud backup quickly.

Yup,. you get it, exactly! It's not a surveillance state, but don't be stupid, and certainly don't LEAN into it.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by walteweiss »

medstrom wrote: post #471
resource_waste wrote: post #462

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Bruh. I use Debian and Arch interchangeably, barely notice the difference.

Yeah, that’s why when I update my Arch MacBook Air once a year or two it works well, but Debian dies and needs to reinstall for some unknown reason. Before that, I believed Debian is so very stable. My experience shows the opposite.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by 76SlashDolphin »

WWLink wrote: post #427
dataflow wrote: post #285

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"There is valuable knowledge worth learning in the technology" != "this is strictly better software on every axis and you should switch to it for your daily work"

As someone that learned to program on BSD and shortly thereafter, Mac OS X and Linux.... I honestly don't know how people use Windows machines as a dev environment 24/7. It would drive me mad. Everything's so wonky and weird. Everything from symlinks to file permissions is just backwards and fucky.

Back in the day it was alright because Microsoft gave you a fairly good dev environment in the form of Visual Studio, with the focus of it being squarely on desktop application development instead of tinkering with the system or running web services. It didn't stop people from doing it anyways but it's part of the reason why everything is so janky. Then the web took over and Microsoft tried for ages to make .net and Windows Server work until they realised they can't tune an OS that was never meant for backend development and just put all their focus on WSL. In the year 2024 there is almost no reason to be doing any non-desktop dev in a Windows environment unless it's on WSL. And you get the benefit of having an actually sane window management system and external display handling unlike MacOS, not to mention how nice PowerToys is.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by 76SlashDolphin »

soraminazuki wrote: post #412
ghoover1978 wrote: post #350

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I think that everyone knows that's a pretty ridiculous statement. Installing Windows 11 is basically putting in a USB stick, waiting about 8 minutes, clicking a few things and typing out your login and password. I love Linux, first started playing with it about 20 years ago now. There's not a single dist I've ever seen that is that simple. Just a basic fact, sorry.

Now, that is a ridiculous statement. Installing Windows has never once been a smooth experience you describe. It's been long wait times, dozens of reboots, and never ending cycles of Windows Updates. Always has been for the last 20+ years. Today, it's even made worse by the fact that MS is intentionally driving Windows UX to the ground in exchange for short term profits. Installing Windows isn't "clicking a few thing…

You're greatly over-exaggerating how much effort it takes for a power user to set up Windows. I had to do it the other day on a Dell MiniPC (sadly couldn't use Linux since I needed HDR) and it's just the following.

1. Set up USB stick in Rufus with all the setup skips enabled 2. Select install options, skip key, next next next 3. Wait for it to install 4. Say no to MS account, put in username, password, and security questions 5. Wait for a reboot and setup 6. Connect to internet, run Windows update, reboot when done 7. Uninstall the few bloatware apps in the start menu, most of them are UWP so the uninstall button does it immediately, takes no more than 5 minutes 8. Disable web search from group policy 9. Install Windows Terminal, Powertoys, and another web browser.

I could easily automate steps 7, 8, and 9 through powershell and winget if I wanted to. The total install time was less than 10 minutes plus the time it took for Windows Updates to install and I have a pretty clean environment.

In comparison, with Fedora running on Gnome I'd have to spend a solid amount of time messing with dconf settings to get fractional scaling to show up and for my touchpad to scroll at the correct speed + installing extensions to get a UX as good as Powertoys has by default, and on KDE I would need to spend the same amount of time messing with settings and installing KWin scripts to get functional tiling (although that might have got better since I last tried it).

Oh and on MacOS I would be up and running in almost no time, because there's no way to fix the absolute dumpsterfire of a UX it has so I don't even bother.

So all options kinda suck, Windows just sucks in its own ways.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by joemi »

bmitc wrote: post #34
joemi wrote: post #14

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I strongly disagree re:Apple software. We must have drastically different usage scenarios, since I find it a pleasure. What software do you have issue with, and why?

Homebrew is a nightmare. Nearly every development tool on macOS requires some sort of workaround, usually found in the depths of forums or StackOverflow. Apple has also positioned macOS to be the absolute worst platform for graphics libraries. They only support Metal and an outdated version of OpenGL which they'll remove entirely at one point. Windows directly supports DirectX, Vulkan, and OpenGL. Go ahead and try to…

> Go ahead and try to rename iTunes because there's no other way to keep it from opening when your non-Apple Bluetooth headphones connect. Good luck.

I have non-Apple bluetooth headphones (Sennheisers) and this isn't something that happens on my M1 MacBook Pro. Is this a common issue for other people?

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by hnfong »

76SlashDolphin wrote: post #516
soraminazuki wrote: post #412

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Now, that is a ridiculous statement. Installing Windows has never once been a smooth experience you describe. It's been long wait times, dozens of reboots, and never ending cycles of Windows Updates. Always has been for the last 20+ years. Today, it's even made worse by the fact that MS is intentionally driving Windows UX to the ground in exchange for short term profits. Installing Windows isn't "clicking a few thing…

You're greatly over-exaggerating how much effort it takes for a power user to set up Windows. I had to do it the other day on a Dell MiniPC (sadly couldn't use Linux since I needed HDR) and it's just the following. 1. Set up USB stick in Rufus with all the setup skips enabled 2. Select install options, skip key, next next next 3. Wait for it to install 4. Say no to MS account, put in username, password, and security…

From your comment it sounds like you affirmed GP's claims...

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by walteweiss »

Teever wrote: post #381
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #374

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Nothing, I'll just stick the last usable version, just like I'm stubbornly sticking to 10.14.6. I'll fight moving up each and every version by narrowing the software I use. Already happening and it's fine.

How long do you think you'll go? You'll inevitably have to switch because available hardware will become scarce, what platform will you go to then?

I’m in a similar position and I’m learning the KVM/QEMU way. So I hope I’ll manage to stay on Linux and add virtualised macOS and Windows apps to my stack. If it would work as I expect, then there’s no real need to even update those virtual systems. Since I need them only for some apps that aren’t on Linux (yet?). In my case those are Adobe After Effects on macOS or Windows and Pixelmator Pro on macOS. Other apps has decent counterparts on Linux for me.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by Adverblessly »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #512
Adverblessly wrote: post #487

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> Change trackpad scrolling speed If you're on X11, I think you'll have to use xinput to set it manually. If your on Wayland, in KDE at least this is available in the standard settings application. > Set up suspend-then-hibernate On KDE at least that's just one of the options in the power settings ("When sleeping, enter:" has "Standby", "Hybrid Sleep" and "Standby, then hibernate"). > GPU drivers (I have a box with a…

Alas, I'm using Gnome. There's a setting for changing scroll speed with a USB mouse but not for a laptop's track pad. I don't see anything for standby-then-hibernate either. >Worked OOTB for me, do you have amdgpu drivers installed? What exactly isn't working? Based on their compatibility list[1], it doesn't look like amdgpu supports my hardware (Richland chipset). Most distros I've tried don't even boot unless I add…

> Alas, I'm using Gnome.

That is unfortunate, but at least that's not a difficult problem to fix ;)

On Wayland at least input stuff is IIUC solely on the compositor, so if they don't want you to control scroll speed, you won't.

For power, maybe the instructions on the Arch Wiki can help? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_an...

> it doesn't look like amdgpu supports my hardware (Richland chipset)

I see, looks like your card is too old for the official open source amdgpu support, meaning you should either install the unofficial open source ati drivers as per https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ATI or try the official proprietary drivers from AMD (which I assume will be too outdated to function on a modern kernel?).

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