Live data from Hacker News

Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

bloomberg.com

81–90 of 615 posts

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

#81
post #6

I've been thinking about this same phenomenon. I reside in Norway, where, interestingly, five different car washes opened in 2023 within a 2 km radius of my local neighborhood. Remarkably, four of these are clustered within a 300m stretch inside a commercial park. Our local area has a population of roughly 5,000 to 7,000 people. Each car wash is operated by a different entity, offering unique apps and subscription pl…

...did you say 'apps'?

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

#82
post #46

Why so many car washes? Why are there so many cars? Because our country is ultimately designed and developed by urban sprawl madmen with a highway fetish and zero vision for a better way for humans to live and operate. I love how we hyper fixate on stupid questions about car washes while pretending like car dependency isn't the problem.

Do you think it's that orchestrated? I think it's more: evolution / chaos / emergent behavior.

Some of each. There are people opposing efforts to make things better. However there also is a lot that ever step makes things better for someone in particular who thus cares more than the more generic society that got worse.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In London at least, Uber is an alternative to public transport (and taxis obv), not to car ownership

Both public transport and taxi/cab/uber are alternatives to car ownership.

I think the point the OP is making is that the burden of car ownership in somewhere like London is already very high. So those who can do without by and large do. The remaining folks who do still have a car do so for a reason (job, primarily) and are unlikely to get rid of it just because Uber exists.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could that land have toxic soil, and therefore not be zoned for anything else?

When in doubted the answer is always "because something is utterly fucked in that zone" and done by humans.

In SF, the answer is always "because the neighbours complained".

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think generally it should not be allowed. A big component of soap is phosphates, which promote algae growth so you really don't want it in your rivers. Some cities have combined or separated sewer systems. Even if combined, it may be designed to overflow during heavy rain, so it's not a guarantee that car wash water with dirt, soap and oil will not go into into a stream somewhere although in that case you're also s…

> I think generally it should not be allowed. A big component of soap is phosphates, which promote algae growth so you really don't want it in your rivers That's fair, but it doesn't explain why the bylaw won't even let you rinse the mud off your car with nothing but water

My understanding is that it’s not just about the soap. But also to restrict the amount of oil, gas and salt getting washed down the storm drains.

Places like Vancouver use street cleaning machines in the spring to sweep up any salt on the streets.

I’m skeptical of the ‘big clean’ lobby being able to buy this law, I could be wrong.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

#87

1) Who is spending $20 a month on car washes? 2) If the problem is that subscription users aren’t paying local sales taxes, why not charge property taxes? (or, Land Value Tax!)

To answer question 1: older people, from my experience. They don't want to have to buy a new car so they take exceedingly good care of their current one. This includes car washes almost weekly.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

#88
post #16

The article doesn't mention it, but I read another article about car washes that argued they're used as a way to speculate on commercial real estate in cities because the car washes provide just enough revenue to pay for the purchase of the land and property taxes. Then when the land becomes valuable they can sell it to another developer.

I wouldn’t think they would be especially cheap to build though? Sophisticated machinery, lots of plumbing?

There’s a car wash in my area that is one of the “upscale” hand wash places. At that point, you’re just paying for people to do the washing and some standard water hookups. No fancy machinery, just a few buildings and some basic equipment.

They also have a giant sign in front of the building stating it’s for lease.

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

#89
> There are four full-service car washes in town, with a fifth on the way; three are bunched up on a mile-and-a-half stretch of Route 14. Social media complaints about car wash overkill spurred town leaders to take action.

Four (or even five) doesn't sound that much? What's the actual problem here?

How is a local politican supposed to determine what is the correct density of any particular type of service within her juristidiction? Assuming all other laws and ordinances are being complied with, and that there is no actual "nuisance", why should a politician need to step in to regulate, rather than letting the market decide?

Last night I stayed at a hotel very close to London Heathrow Airport. There, on the Bath Road, there are (literally) dozens of hotels, one right next to another. This is a feature not a bug! Apparently, there is lots of demand for hotels at that location, which isn't exactly a surprise. If the market were too small, the weakest would fail, right? Right?

Re: Why are there suddenly so many car washes?

#90
post #46

Why so many car washes? Why are there so many cars? Because our country is ultimately designed and developed by urban sprawl madmen with a highway fetish and zero vision for a better way for humans to live and operate. I love how we hyper fixate on stupid questions about car washes while pretending like car dependency isn't the problem.

Do you think it's that orchestrated? I think it's more: evolution / chaos / emergent behavior.

The moves to the suburbs was orchestrated. The moves to newer suburbs from the existing ones was orchestrated. The encouragement of driving everywhere was orchestrated.

Not to cause us to need more car washes. But it was by design.

Post reply on HN