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Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher

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Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher

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Why is lead illegal to use in consumer electronics solder than no one eats off of (EU/RoHS), but acceptable for food cutlery like this? Why is lead so advantageous for sealing vacuum chambers that a manufacturer would risk all this backlash? Do simple epoxy glues not work?

It's not acceptable that's why it's news.

As to why it's advantages, lead is really cheap and really effective. In material science there are 2 groups, those making amazing new materials, and those trying to match them without using lead or cadmium

Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher

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I have the same problem with this as with retro youtubers using lead solder. Consumers are not the only ones that matter The people working in the factoriesare exposed to lead. The people at the mines are exposed to lead. The people in shuttered ghost towns like Pitcher Oklahoma are exposed to lead. The people transporting lead are exposed to lead. People working in recycling or waste management or landfills are expo…

You're eactly right. I saw the blight at Herculaneum, MO in the 2000s - dozers plowing down houses in a slowly expanding circle centered on the smelter.

1 in 5 students had excess blood lead. The schools nearby were scraped down and soil was replaced whenever the lead levels got too high from the dust blowing off the open ore and slag trucks running town. The smelter didn't hit EPA requirements for 25 years, and when faced with enforcement, decided to leave rather than produce lead cleanly, because it is not economical to do so cleanly. Cheap lead offloads the environmental and health effects to someone.

https://health.mo.gov/living/environment/hazsubstancesites/p...

https://www.kbia.org/science-and-technology/2012-08-08/the-e...

Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher

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I have the same problem with this as with retro youtubers using lead solder. Consumers are not the only ones that matter The people working in the factoriesare exposed to lead. The people at the mines are exposed to lead. The people in shuttered ghost towns like Pitcher Oklahoma are exposed to lead. The people transporting lead are exposed to lead. People working in recycling or waste management or landfills are expo…

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Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher

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Why is lead illegal to use in consumer electronics solder than no one eats off of (EU/RoHS), but acceptable for food cutlery like this? Why is lead so advantageous for sealing vacuum chambers that a manufacturer would risk all this backlash? Do simple epoxy glues not work?

As has been said, it isn't acceptable.

_No_ level of lead is safe and_no_ level of lead is acceptable. That's a statement from CDC, WHO, or any other 3 letter agency you could ask.

Why is it still "used". Often, the difference is in percentage of lead in products when it's intentional vs not (probably obvious). The part that may be less known is how difficult it is to ensure that steel or other metals don't have Working in characterization of materials _can be_ difficult. I have had 3 different pieces of equipment give 10% X, 50%X, and 80% X all for exactly the same batch of the same material.

However, lead is far more established in it's characterization in metals, so _given enough care and money_ these problems don't really occur.

This company, and many others, aren't going to check - that's the government's job to worry about the safety and health of the public, and protect them if a company makes an unknowingly harmful product. The government meanwhile does not have the funding, personnel, or time to tackle such a monumental task. This is why it takes so long to find bad products like this - it's typically on the shoulders of curious individuals.

To recap, this _should be_ a solved issue (also lead needs to come out of GA, as it has been shown to be possible for decades, and actually _harms_ the engines of small planes), but as it often is, harming people to save money spells success in our world.

Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher

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Maybe I’m just too old, but I will never understand the brief viral Stanley popularity, or the viral inaccessible-lead-pellet alarmism.

> I will never understand the brief viral Stanley popularity,

it isn't the product, but the effect of viral. the effect of influencers is the thing to be looking at here. however, that's just the next evolution of marketing. to me, it is the ability to be influenced that should be studied and improved.

Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher

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Maybe I’m just too old, but I will never understand the brief viral Stanley popularity, or the viral inaccessible-lead-pellet alarmism.

> I will never understand the brief viral Stanley popularity, it isn't the product, but the effect of viral. the effect of influencers is the thing to be looking at here. however, that's just the next evolution of marketing. to me, it is the ability to be influenced that should be studied and improved.

> it is the ability to be influenced that should be studied and improved.

I'm curious about what you mean by "improved?"

Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher

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post #23
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I have the same problem with this as with retro youtubers using lead solder. Consumers are not the only ones that matter The people working in the factoriesare exposed to lead. The people at the mines are exposed to lead. The people in shuttered ghost towns like Pitcher Oklahoma are exposed to lead. The people transporting lead are exposed to lead. People working in recycling or waste management or landfills are expo…

You're eactly right. I saw the blight at Herculaneum, MO in the 2000s - dozers plowing down houses in a slowly expanding circle centered on the smelter. 1 in 5 students had excess blood lead. The schools nearby were scraped down and soil was replaced whenever the lead levels got too high from the dust blowing off the open ore and slag trucks running town. The smelter didn't hit EPA requirements for 25 years, and when…

thats very interesting, i never heard of this, i wonder how many other towns are off-the-radar. and in China probably even more now.

i wonder if the EPA could be better off if it gave grants instead of fining people.

Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher

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I have the same problem with this as with retro youtubers using lead solder. Consumers are not the only ones that matter The people working in the factoriesare exposed to lead. The people at the mines are exposed to lead. The people in shuttered ghost towns like Pitcher Oklahoma are exposed to lead. The people transporting lead are exposed to lead. People working in recycling or waste management or landfills are expo…

Exposed to lead? Heck I machine it. What do you think SAE660 bearing bronze contains. This level of hype is horribly misguided. I have not witnessed one machinist harmed by lead in 40 years. If I cared I would wear a face mask when working with bronzes. Truthfully Hexavalent Chromium exposure from stainless scares me more. That is a known carcinogen and I machine alot of high Chrome content stainless.

It's interesting to me that there's so little public awareness about stainless steel as it affects workers. I'll go ahead and skip working with it as the piddly amount of a pay bump doesn't offset the known danger it poses. My nose has the correct number of holes in it, thank you very much. Add in the cancer risk and I've got no intentions of screwing around with the stuff.

Re: Finding lead in Stanley's Quencher

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're eactly right. I saw the blight at Herculaneum, MO in the 2000s - dozers plowing down houses in a slowly expanding circle centered on the smelter. 1 in 5 students had excess blood lead. The schools nearby were scraped down and soil was replaced whenever the lead levels got too high from the dust blowing off the open ore and slag trucks running town. The smelter didn't hit EPA requirements for 25 years, and when…

thats very interesting, i never heard of this, i wonder how many other towns are off-the-radar. and in China probably even more now. i wonder if the EPA could be better off if it gave grants instead of fining people.

government handouts seem to escape their original purpose, famously.

For a recent example there are the covid relief scams galore. very often in the news the last year or two at least in Arizona, where some egregiously shameful people 'embezzled' and 'gamed' the grants system to buy super extravagent properties, etc. .

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