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Low-tech Magazine underscores the potential of past technologies

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Re: Low-tech Magazine underscores the potential of past technologies

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Booting a modern laptop, something I do every day, is the anti-low-tech paradigm.

Just my motherboard BIOS is 50348032 bits. And it doesn't provide many options, I think the other way around, it hides many options on purpose.

Then there is an i7 processor... a whole beast itself against simplicity. With its Intel Management Engine, it's microcode updates, etc.

Secure boot? UEFI? VT extensions? TPM? NFC? graphics initialization?

OK, so far, we've code and material to fill the whole life of an engineer, and we didn't reach still the OS bootloader.

Ah, the bootloader, who remembers lilo... here we go with grub. Go read it's source code, and return back to explain me everything that is in there... see you in 3 months only for this.

Here it goes, the kernel. A thing that normal users don't see or touch. More than 30 Million of lines of code more. I won't talk about complexity here, but this project can really say it's "batteries included". The same you get an old obscure filesystem/protocol nobody uses, than proc/mem/i-o/netowrk schedulers for supercomputers. Blobs, firmware, more graphics stuff, observability, wifi, storage, a whole word in itself and everything comes up in microseconds.

There is such initram thingy, which is another "mini" (not mini in lines of code) operative system. Busybox? xD look at that.

Now, here it comes... the low-tech king: systemd! our love-hated init system (only init? well you already know).

Now, here we can start the operative system (which may not bee too simple), we could be talking for years, of each of the micro-components that help to launch the base OS services until you get to the login page.

Depending on the distro... we're skipping a hell of complexity (it's not the same the ps aux of an ubuntu desktop, than the ps aux of a minimal system). Let's skip it, let's skip hundreds of software components and phone home stuff.

The auth part, gives for a few years more of reading code, talk about, skipping plugins and optional stuff.

Then you can get a window manager or a desktop environment (so a week or some months of code more), running over Xorg (do you think it's simple?) or Wayland (you can devote your life until you own this part).

And now... let's launch a "web browser". I will stop here, we won't finish if we go deep into the browser complexity.

Modern hardware, software and engineering, are a big ball of snow. The more it advances, the bigger and out of control it gets.

Re: Low-tech Magazine underscores the potential of past technologies

#13
Interesting magazine. Not to detract from its content - but are any of those technologies really low tech? Old computers, solar panels, and the various generators all rely on exceptionally advanced science and technology. It would take decades of research to recreate them from scratch.

It's more about reusing/repurposing 'old' discarded tech. Or keeping high tech going as people would do in a post apocalyptic society.

Re: Low-tech Magazine underscores the potential of past technologies

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Looks like it's a sunny day at the moment, but check out the website after it's been overcast for a day or two. The background (which just looks yellow right now) doesn't always look that way and it's really cool when the battery is at partial charge!

Re: Low-tech Magazine underscores the potential of past technologies

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Frugality is a quality on which we have collectively given up in the technology field, sadly.

And this habit is what keeps us on the treadmill of work work work because we can’t afford to stop: we think we need all this crap and the only way to get it (and replace it every 3 years) is to work more.

Re: Low-tech Magazine underscores the potential of past technologies

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post #12

Booting a modern laptop, something I do every day, is the anti-low-tech paradigm. Just my motherboard BIOS is 50348032 bits. And it doesn't provide many options, I think the other way around, it hides many options on purpose. Then there is an i7 processor... a whole beast itself against simplicity. With its Intel Management Engine, it's microcode updates, etc. Secure boot? UEFI? VT extensions? TPM? NFC? graphics init…

> The more it advances, the bigger and out of control it gets.

Yet my present computer can do far more than the one I had, say 30 years ago, when things were "simpler".

Re: Low-tech Magazine underscores the potential of past technologies

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Frugality is a quality on which we have collectively given up in the technology field, sadly.

And this habit is what keeps us on the treadmill of work work work because we can’t afford to stop: we think we need all this crap and the only way to get it (and replace it every 3 years) is to work more.

I don't own much, but I do gotta pay a mortgage for where I don't keep it.

Re: Low-tech Magazine underscores the potential of past technologies

#18

Interesting magazine. Not to detract from its content - but are any of those technologies really low tech? Old computers, solar panels, and the various generators all rely on exceptionally advanced science and technology. It would take decades of research to recreate them from scratch. It's more about reusing/repurposing 'old' discarded tech. Or keeping high tech going as people would do in a post apocalyptic society…

I feel the same. It's just another arbitrary, an inconsistent point in the tech tree of real life. Solar panel powered server is low tech, but a firearm is not, for example.

So I think the point is to question the never-ending technological advance a bit, and especially its application to day-to-day life, which I think is good food for thought in general.

Re: Low-tech Magazine underscores the potential of past technologies

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Frugality is a quality on which we have collectively given up in the technology field, sadly.

sustainability, degrowth, frugality...these are choices of privilege.

you can only call for less when you have more than enough.

if you're poor you are already living in degrowth and frugality.

Re: Low-tech Magazine underscores the potential of past technologies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this habit is what keeps us on the treadmill of work work work because we can’t afford to stop: we think we need all this crap and the only way to get it (and replace it every 3 years) is to work more.

I don't own much, but I do gotta pay a mortgage for where I don't keep it.

Sure, I was saying you can live on a third of a paycheck or you can live on 150% of a paycheck. One gives you quite a bit more freedom than the other (numbers arbitrary but you hopefully get the idea)
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