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Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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I tried one of these lists on a (just factory reset) Xiaomi. Ended up breaking on reboot - immediate crash after login, and it was unusable.

Managed to fix it, but learned to be careful - what might be critical for one model might be bloat for another.

Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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Metro by T-Mobile has some strange bloatware that I was able to disable with adb. I can't imagine living with this garbage day in and day out. Makes me wonder if this is why some people in the US believe iPhone is better than android — they've only experienced carrier bloatware infested android devices.

> I can't imagine living with this garbage day in and day out. What tangible harm is it doing that makes you think you can't live with it? If there's a Facebook binary on my phone that I've never logged into, is it doing anything? Is Candy Crush playing itself in the background if I never launch it?

> If there's a Facebook binary on my phone that I've never logged into, is it doing anything?

Couldn't it? Apps can start without ever being launched by the user, or continue running in the background after they are "closed", and that means that they can collect data then send it home or to third parties. There's a ton of things an app can do without any permissions or indicating to the user that anything is happening. It's been used for things like listening for audio beacons and reporting them when overheard.

I wouldn't want to trust a company like facebook to not abuse every option available to them to collect data. There's also a problem with vulnerabilities. That "unused" facebook binary might contain a flaw that could be exploited. Getting rid of installed applications you don't need/want is a good way to reduce your attack surface.

Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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I bought -- full price, retail -- a midrange Samsung phone for a relative recently. The amount of bloatware was incredible. Various social networks and shopping apps were preinstalled. In addition to all the Samsung apps that more or less duplicate the Google stack, poorly. The entire setup process was full of dark patterns designed to extract as much data from you as possible. No way a regular person gets through th…

The first time I had a samsung phone I noticed after about two weeks that every single word I typed into any application was being collected and sent to a third party whose privacy policy said it was used to collect data about my interests, my social life, to make guesses about my intelligence level and education, and that the data would be sold for "market research" among other things.

No user would ever suspect that the keyboard that came with their cell phone would be letting third parties read all their texts and emails to do those things. I'd assumed the keyboard was just a part of the OS. I only found out after I just happened to long press a key long enough to get an "about samsung keyboard" window and clicking around to find a privacy policy that said which company they were sending keystrokes to, and then reading that company's privacy policy.

I immediately found an open source keyboard to replace samsung's with. I'll say one thing for them, collecting everything everyone types into their devices meant that the samsung keyboard had really good spellchecking/predictive text capabilities. I'd never go back to using it, but there are times I wish the keyboard I replaced it with had a better spellchecker.

Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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I bought -- full price, retail -- a midrange Samsung phone for a relative recently. The amount of bloatware was incredible. Various social networks and shopping apps were preinstalled. In addition to all the Samsung apps that more or less duplicate the Google stack, poorly. The entire setup process was full of dark patterns designed to extract as much data from you as possible. No way a regular person gets through th…

I'm amazed people buy Samsung anything.

I only had 1 poor quality phone that cost $400, 10 years ago, and I was traumatized.

Occasionally I get a work Samsung phone and they really are the Apple of Android.

Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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I bought -- full price, retail -- a midrange Samsung phone for a relative recently. The amount of bloatware was incredible. Various social networks and shopping apps were preinstalled. In addition to all the Samsung apps that more or less duplicate the Google stack, poorly. The entire setup process was full of dark patterns designed to extract as much data from you as possible. No way a regular person gets through th…

I was furious when I found out that the default keyboard was infested with Grammarly, sending all my keystrokes without consent. Embarrassing for a $1200 flagship device.

This is a user/psychology problem.

No one in their right mind is suggesting Samsung. Heck, similar to Apple, you have swaths of people warning you about Samsung.

Samsung lives and dies off their huge marketing budget. Buying their phone is more of a psychology thing, than 'I did lots of research and I bought a high quality phone'.

Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Metro by T-Mobile has some strange bloatware that I was able to disable with adb. I can't imagine living with this garbage day in and day out. Makes me wonder if this is why some people in the US believe iPhone is better than android — they've only experienced carrier bloatware infested android devices.

Nope, it is just worst. Want a smart-phone? Get an iPhone. Want a mobile Linux computer you can make calls from? Android. Android does not do the 'phone' part right. I constantly complain of a friend with his new expensive s23 or whatever that acts like a cheap phone whenever he gets in a group call and my whole group complains of the ear shattering noise and artifacts from his side immediately (nothing at all wrong…

I have the opposite opinion. If we want to talk about bugs, I literally left the iPhone world just because of the bugs and the poor quality of the software in general. I had error loops when installing apps and the one of my wife has keyboard freeze for 4 seconds at a time. The internet is full of threads of people with this exact problem but there's never any documented way to fix anything in an iPhone, it either fully works or good luck.

Sure the hardware might be better but the software though... Anything related to icloud, the appstore and the accounts themselves looks like it's holding up together with duck tape.

Re: Debloat non-rooted Android devices

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I tried one of these lists on a (just factory reset) Xiaomi. Ended up breaking on reboot - immediate crash after login, and it was unusable. Managed to fix it, but learned to be careful - what might be critical for one model might be bloat for another.

Could you share logs with uninstalled packages led to this, please?
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