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Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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What are you going to do once Intel is no longer supported ?

Nothing, I'll just stick the last usable version, just like I'm stubbornly sticking to 10.14.6. I'll fight moving up each and every version by narrowing the software I use. Already happening and it's fine.

How long do you think you'll go?

You'll inevitably have to switch because available hardware will become scarce, what platform will you go to then?

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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People have been making this argument to me about Linux for more than 25 years. The most cutting version that I ran across was: > Linux is only free if your time is worthless! Something never quite sat right with me about this argument, and your comment finally made me understand what it is: the understanding you gain from tinkering is priceless, and it's exactly the experience that you use to help everyone around yo…

This is a gross misunderstanding of the GP's point though. It's not that they are against doing any of these things. In fact, they said they were more than happy to do it in their youth. I am in full agreement with the GP's sentiment as well. Mucking about and tinkering with things while one has the time, desire, and stuff to learn is a young "man's" game. I did all of that and absolutely learned a helluva lot. It di…

There’s another perspective: even if OP is done, if we shut the door (or let it be shut by companies like Apple) then the currently-young won’t be able to tinker and won’t grow to gain the same knowledge.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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I gotta say, 10 or 15 years ago, Mac OS X would have been worth the effort and it was basically what justified buying Apple hardware for me. Nowadays, if anything, it's the hardware that justifies buying Apple, and the operating systems are something I can live with. I don't see any compelling reason to use macOS on non-Apple hardware today (except hacking for hackings sake)

For me it's always been about repairability and expandability and Apple has gotten worse in that respect over time. It's essentially impossible to repair Apple hardware yourself, but Hackintosh is very easy to maintain in that regard. I have endless expansion options compared to Apple hardware. Hackintoshes are just a better choice.

> For me it's always been about repairability and expandability and Apple has gotten worse in that respect over time.

Apple Plus is amazing, I broke my macbook and they gave me a loner on the spot and I got it back in full working order later.

I wouldn't buy any Apple product without it. Had a similar experience with an iPhone where they just gave me a new one straight up.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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post #381

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Nothing, I'll just stick the last usable version, just like I'm stubbornly sticking to 10.14.6. I'll fight moving up each and every version by narrowing the software I use. Already happening and it's fine.

How long do you think you'll go? You'll inevitably have to switch because available hardware will become scarce, what platform will you go to then?

This argument is deeply depressing to me.

Most days I hope that we (as a planet) get past all those obfuscated vendor lock-ins but over the last decade we’ve watched the, get worse and tighter as they get backed up by lobbied laws. And now I’m worried that you’re 100% right.

But we can still be saved by big ideas. We (modern humans) have done it before. I just hope the seeds of it are already planted.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me it's always been about repairability and expandability and Apple has gotten worse in that respect over time. It's essentially impossible to repair Apple hardware yourself, but Hackintosh is very easy to maintain in that regard. I have endless expansion options compared to Apple hardware. Hackintoshes are just a better choice.

> For me it's always been about repairability and expandability and Apple has gotten worse in that respect over time. Apple Plus is amazing, I broke my macbook and they gave me a loner on the spot and I got it back in full working order later. I wouldn't buy any Apple product without it. Had a similar experience with an iPhone where they just gave me a new one straight up.

AppleCare+ has a hard cap and runs out at 3 years.

No matter how great it is, that’s a very short amount of time.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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I agree that tinkering is a side effect of curiosity, and that curiosity leads to expertise, which has value. I parleyed my curiosity in hardware into my first job. (My car-fixing skills alas didn't take me anywhere.) Hardware was fun for the first 10 years of my career, but now, well, it's just not interesting. I played with Linux as well along the way, but I confess that too has dulled. Building your first machine…

I think the awkward part of your first post is that you appear to start with a value judgement that tinkering is for poor people who's time is worthless. That's not remotely fair to either poor people, or rich people who like to tinker. No one's time is worthless. Not your time. Not mine. It's all just time.

Fair enough, and no I didn't mean to impinge time is worthless. It's not the value of time that changes, but the amount of it you have.

In a work context a shortage of time (more customers than you can handle) means you need to discriminate, which means you can't make everyone happy. Which usually means differentiating based on value. (Aka, you get more expensive. )

For personal time you also become more discerning. Spend time with spouse, or build another computer, or lie under a car etc. Life has more demands, so there are more choices.

Incidentally, one of those choices is to work less.

The tinkering never goes away, but I prefer to tinker in profitable areas now. (I get to tinker for work.)

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

#387
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It seems reasonable when you consider TCO, but you still have to pay 100% up front. Not everyone can drop $2k on a laptop, most people don’t need to.

Buying a new MacBook Air https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-air/13-inch-m2 $999.00 or $83.25/mo.per month for 12 mo. With a footnote: > Monthly pricing is available when you select Apple Card Monthly Installments (ACMI) as payment type at checkout at Apple, and is subject to credit approval and credit limit. Financing terms vary by product. Taxes and shipping are not included in ACMI and are subject to your c…

Sure, then just add $100 each for a decent amount of RAM and storage.

Oh, wait... forgot that these are designed to be landfill fodder.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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> When the dealership is charging $200/hr to have a kid plug in the car and follow a flowchart, I'll just take a look myself. Regrets about not becoming more of investing the time to be an intuitive handy man is a very different category from "let's see if there's a video on yt to help me fix that in 5 minutes". My message is definitely not "don't get your hands dirty" but "be practical". Doing the yt/google/chatgpt…

I'm enjoying this thread. I want to add that building a network of experts has other costs too. Sticking to a network will limit the variety of people you get to meet, everything else the same. Local maxima. It also isn't practical in some circumstances; if I travel for work or move cities every few years, the local network for mechanics gets lost. The cost of keeping the network would be staying in one place. So, th…

>> The cost of keeping the network would be staying in one place.

One man's bug is another man's feature:). You describe staying as a bug, I've lived in the same house for 24 years, and, for me, it's definitely a feature. I'd positively hate moving to another suburb, never mind city.

And yes, I've developed relationships with local service providers. My plumber, my electrician, my mechanic, all know me by name. I've found the people I can trust and they eliminate those hassles from my life.

But, and this is my point, I'm not you. My context, my goals my desires, are all different to yours, and that's fine. We're all in different places, being different people, and that's OK. It doesn't have to be "us versus them". We might enjoy different thinks, and have different perspectives, but that's OK.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

#390

Back in my youth, when I was time rich and cash poor, this kind of tinkering was fun and a good way to improve the machine I was using. Now that I have more disposable cash, but waaay less time, I couldn't imagine "wasting my time" doing this sort of thing. These days I want to -use- the computer, not spend time trying to convince it to work. Incidentally it's the exact same journey with my cars. 35 years ago I was f…

People have been making this argument to me about Linux for more than 25 years. The most cutting version that I ran across was: > Linux is only free if your time is worthless! Something never quite sat right with me about this argument, and your comment finally made me understand what it is: the understanding you gain from tinkering is priceless, and it's exactly the experience that you use to help everyone around yo…

To be honest, none of that stuff has been true for 15+ years anyway.

Linux just works now. You put in the Ubuntu/Debian/Arch/whatever USB, you install it, it just works.

I can't remember the last time anything broke on any of my desktop machines and it wasn't my fault for intentionally doing breaky things.

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