Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's how they got into those positions, so they select for folks who do the same, either directly or indirectly.
That seems excessively cynical (and self-excusing). The reality is it’s incredibly hard to measure engineering work even in the best case scenario, never mind something as abstract as software and in as opaque an environment as a modern remote/hybrid workplace. Seems more likely they’re relying on bad heuristics because it’s hard to do much else?
Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
11–20 of 48 posts
Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#12Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#13> "Every team has people in at least two states, some in three or four. I can't think of one team where everyone is in one location," the person said.
> That means that even if commuting distances are feasible, many won't be able to collaborate face-to-face with their teams in the same office.
> Another Dell worker told BI: "I would support that if I actually had team members that were local and would actually go on-site. With us being so spread out around the United States, there's really no point in us going in. I'm going to be in a room with a bunch of people who don't know how to do my job or how to help me."
---
This is where Dell's actions become completely unjustifiable to me.
I am a strong believer in the power of working in-person. Before the pandemic, I worked at a company of around 20 employees. After the pandemic, we went "hybrid". This setup was more convenient for sure, but it wasn't the same as occupying the same space every day.
But that's just it—before the pandemic, we were in the same space!
Once you split a team across different locations, that team will be working remotely regardless of whether employees are at home or in some satellite office. Everyone is still logging in to Zoom meetings and communicating primarily via Slack.
I think it's totally reasonable for Dell to prioritize in-person work, but they cannot do this by definition until teams are grouped according to geographic location. This is probably extremely difficult to do retroactively.
Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#14This is so absurd. If this is legal, it surely shouldn't be. Remote work works.
I am currently an elementary school teacher. I am not allowed to work remotely, and this is as it should be.
How do you determine, by law, which jobs can legally require people to work on-site, and which cannot?
Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
That seems excessively cynical (and self-excusing). The reality is it’s incredibly hard to measure engineering work even in the best case scenario, never mind something as abstract as software and in as opaque an environment as a modern remote/hybrid workplace. Seems more likely they’re relying on bad heuristics because it’s hard to do much else?
I never got this explanation. In all teams I was so far, it was clear to everyone on what is individuals performance. It is just managers were pretending not to see, as it would involve them making hard decisions/work. My working theory that, in most medium to large companies most management people are not interested in success/financials of company as they are mostly salaried. Actual success of a project is secondar…
Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even when working remotely, the promotion system seems to work at whoever sends the most slack shout-outs. The more I work, the more I realize the management and the execs never have any idea of what's happening in their company and just rely on noise signals.
That's how they got into those positions, so they select for folks who do the same, either directly or indirectly.
Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#17Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#18I've switched companies 4 times so far in my career. Let's call entry-level "entry." The first one came with a double-level promotion (entry+2). The next one came with a demotion (entry+1), although they paid me more. I went on to get promoted twice at the new company (entry+3) working on-site. After that I stayed at the same level moving to the next company (entry+3) working remote. Then going to the next company I got another promotion coming in (entry+4). So I've only been promoted within the company twice, and my other two promotions were from switching companies.
I'm getting good performance reviews, but it's looking like entry+5 may be a ways away for me at my current company. I've already been contacted by a recruiter offering me a chance at landing an entry+5 position with another company, but I value the culture and the type of work I'm doing at my current company more than the level-up. In particular I can work from home most of the week and come in for meetings here and there.
Early in your career "N+1" is important, but at some point there's a lot more to your overall quality of life than simply chasing the next "N+1." I know some truly miserable people who constantly obsess over getting promotions, and getting those promotions often doesn't seem to make their lives any better. Some of them have just ended up getting bigger mortgages, and now they're under constant pressure to keep performing at the level they clawed their way up to just so they can make their payments.
Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#19It's important to be aware that in some orgs, being fully remote may potentially impact your promotion opportunities, even if not explicitly stated in a policy. In my personal experience, after going fully remote, my manager implied that it could limit my ability to advance, and that ended up being the case. At least in my company, face time with leadership seems to carry weight when it comes to promotions. For me, t…
Even when working remotely, the promotion system seems to work at whoever sends the most slack shout-outs. The more I work, the more I realize the management and the execs never have any idea of what's happening in their company and just rely on noise signals.
Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#20*By Dell
Most places have politics and limits around promotions. The best way is to self-promote into the role you want at another company.
Besides, your employer will drop you in an instant if they think it brings in profit. Why shouldn't you do the same?