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How web bloat impacts users with slow devices

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Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices

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Post by zozbot234 »

bluquark wrote: post #66

Dan's point about being aware of the different levels of inequality in the world is something I strongly agree with, but that should also include the middle-income countries, especially in Latin America and Southeast Asia. For example, a user with a data plan with a monthly limit in the single-digit GBs, and a RAM/CPU profile resembling a decade-old US flagship. That's good enough to use Discourse at all, but the exp…

> That's good enough to use Discourse at all, but the experience will probably be on the unpleasantly slow side. ... an alternate "lite/basic" mode

Why does this need to be the "alternate" choice though? What does current Discourse provide that e.g. PhpBB or the DLang forum do not? (Other than mobile friendly design, which in a sane world shouldn't involve more than a few tweaks to a "responsive" CSS stylesheet).

Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices

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Post by sylware »

tredre3 wrote: post #63
sylware wrote: post #32

google web engines (blink/geeko) and apple web engines with their SDK are sickening. They are an insult to sanity. They well deserve their hate.

The engines are perfectly fine. It's the websites/web developers that are the problem.

I don't agree, the web devs are making it worse.

Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices

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Post by deathanatos »

jodrellblank wrote: post #86
liveoneggs wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

State your case that bloat is good . I currently have a client who will do literally anything except delete a single javascript library so I'd like to understand them better.

Joel Spolsky on Excel bloat, 2001: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/03/23/strategy-letter-iv...

That was 2001.

Core frequencies aren't going up at 2001 rates anymore. (And although Moore's law has continued, it is only just. Core freqs have all but topped out, it feels like.) Memory prices seem to have stalled, and even non-volatile storage feels like it's stalled.

My computer in 1998, compared to it's predecessor, storage was going up in size at ~43% YoY. It was an amazing time to be alive; the 128 MiB thumbdrive I bought the next decade is laughable now, but it was an upgrade from a 1.44 "MB" diskette. Today, I'm not sure I'd put more storage in a new machine than what I put in a 2011 build. E.g., 1 TiB seems to be ~$50; cheaper, yet. Using the late 90s growth rates, it should be 17 TiB… so even though it's about half the price, we can see we've fallen off the curve.

Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices

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Post by demondemidi »

I was expecting this to go one level deeper and point out that bloated sites that are critical, like: banking, medical, government -- can lead to problems paying bills or getting timely information (especially in the case of medical situations that aren't quite emergencies but close to it).

Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices

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Post by 123yawaworht456 »

goalieca wrote: post #102
bluquark wrote: post #66

Dan's point about being aware of the different levels of inequality in the world is something I strongly agree with, but that should also include the middle-income countries, especially in Latin America and Southeast Asia. For example, a user with a data plan with a monthly limit in the single-digit GBs, and a RAM/CPU profile resembling a decade-old US flagship. That's good enough to use Discourse at all, but the exp…

> For example, a user with a data plan with a monthly limit in the single-digit GBs, and a RAM/CPU profile resembling a decade-old US flagship I’m in Canada and have a single digit plan and I just upgraded from an almost decade old flagship. Most websites are torture.

in mid 00's, I had ADSL with iirc ≈300 MB included in the monthly payment, with an extremely predatory rate over the limit. I used to stretch it for 3 weeks out of a month browsing with images disabled (and bulk of my bandwidth spent on Warcraft 3).

that would last for a few hours of lightweight (not youtube/images/etc) browsing now.

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