Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
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Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
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Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#2This is so absurd. If this is legal, it surely shouldn't be.
Remote work works.
Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#3"...or be able to change roles."
Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#4It's important to be aware that in some orgs, being fully remote may potentially impact your promotion opportunities, even if not explicitly stated in a policy.
In my personal experience, after going fully remote, my manager implied that it could limit my ability to advance, and that ended up being the case. At least in my company, face time with leadership seems to carry weight when it comes to promotions. For me, the benefits of remote work were worth the potential tradeoffs in career advancement. Regardless of your stance on remote work this is the reality.
I've also been on several teams post-COVID where the majority of members were remote. In my experience, when issues arise on remote teams, it's usually attributable to other underlying problems, not the remote work itself.
Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#5This is so absurd. If this is legal, it surely shouldn't be. Remote work works.
I think the companies who do this think they’re being clever by soft-firing their less passionate employees and retaining their most dedicated and/or most easily influenced employees.
In reality they’re doing a layoff of their most competent employees who are best able to find work elsewhere from companies that respect their desire to work from home.
The idea that you can’t change roles or be promoted by being remote is particularly absurd.
Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#6It's important to be aware that in some orgs, being fully remote may potentially impact your promotion opportunities, even if not explicitly stated in a policy. In my personal experience, after going fully remote, my manager implied that it could limit my ability to advance, and that ended up being the case. At least in my company, face time with leadership seems to carry weight when it comes to promotions. For me, t…
Even when working remotely, the promotion system seems to work at whoever sends the most slack shout-outs.
The more I work, the more I realize the management and the execs never have any idea of what's happening in their company and just rely on noise signals.
Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#7It's important to be aware that in some orgs, being fully remote may potentially impact your promotion opportunities, even if not explicitly stated in a policy. In my personal experience, after going fully remote, my manager implied that it could limit my ability to advance, and that ended up being the case. At least in my company, face time with leadership seems to carry weight when it comes to promotions. For me, t…
Even when working remotely, the promotion system seems to work at whoever sends the most slack shout-outs. The more I work, the more I realize the management and the execs never have any idea of what's happening in their company and just rely on noise signals.
That's how they got into those positions, so they select for folks who do the same, either directly or indirectly.
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Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even when working remotely, the promotion system seems to work at whoever sends the most slack shout-outs. The more I work, the more I realize the management and the execs never have any idea of what's happening in their company and just rely on noise signals.
That's how they got into those positions, so they select for folks who do the same, either directly or indirectly.
That seems excessively cynical (and self-excusing). The reality is it’s incredibly hard to measure engineering work even in the best case scenario, never mind something as abstract as software and in as opaque an environment as a modern remote/hybrid workplace.
Seems more likely they’re relying on bad heuristics because it’s hard to do much else?
Re: Dell workers can stay remote – but they're not going to get promoted
#10This is so absurd. If this is legal, it surely shouldn't be. Remote work works.
I think the companies who do this think they’re being clever by soft-firing their less passionate employees and retaining their most dedicated and/or most easily influenced employees. In reality they’re doing a layoff of their most competent employees who are best able to find work elsewhere from companies that respect their desire to work from home. The idea that you can’t change roles or be promoted by being remote…
How do management teams get to such a point where they’re so wildly out of touch like this?
I guess the only nice thing is that they’re being upfront about it so people know to bail/not join.