Here is how you do web: https://forum.dlang.org/ Observe the speed
This loads faster than native apps serving local content on my device.
How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
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Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
#42Since 2000, I've observed the internet shift from free sharing of information to aggressive monetization of every piece of knowledge. So I suspect that is the culprit. If you use the mobile web on the latest iPhone you'll find its unusable without an ad-blocker.
Hm, not entirely true, depending on what you mean with "the internet shifting". The internet has grown , and the free sharing is still going strong. Have a look at Wikipedia, Hacker News, Arxiv.org. To be honest, the stuff that was shared freely in 2000 was not all that great, and most of that which was, is still available. Remember that you had to buy a subscription to Encyclopaedia Britannica back then, and to all…
Encyclopedia Britannica was on CDs, not on the internet. I'm old enough to remember.
Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
#43Okta has a speed test?
Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
#44Not only the user is affected by this.
The difference between a 2MB and a 150KB CSS file can be a lot of bandwidth.
The difference between a bad and good framework can be a lot of CPU power and RAM.
Companies pay for this. But I guess most have no clue that these costs can be reduced.
And some companies just don't care as long as money is coming in.
Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
#45Okta has a speed test?
Presumably Ookla.
Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
#46Here is how you do web: https://forum.dlang.org/ Observe the speed
Or HN. All that talk about "brutalist web design" yet most websites are more bloated than ever...
'Brutalist web design' is a pretty small niche though, no? It's the kind of thing Hacker News readers will have heard of, but I don't think it was ever close to mainstream.
Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
#47I only recently moved from a 6-year old LG flagship phone to a shiny new Galaxy, and the performance difference is staggering. It shouldn't be - that was a very high-end phone at release, it's not that old, and it still works like new. I know it's not just my phone, because the Galaxy S9s I use to test code have the same struggles. I would like to have seen Amazon in the tests. IME Amazon's website is among the absol…
Interesting that you have such problems with Amazon. I‘m using an iPhone XR (5,5 years old) and don’t have any problems using Amazon in the browser (Safari). And I’m on the latest iOS (17.4).
Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
#48Here is how you do web: https://forum.dlang.org/ Observe the speed
This loads faster than native apps serving local content on my device.
For me, it took an estimated 3-5s to load on first visit. Fast, but not "faster than native apps"
The second time round it loaded almost instantly.
I'm guessing there's some caching going on.
Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
#49Perhaps these people are better off by running a web browser on a remote machine and interfacing with it over VNC.
This is trolling, right? Lemme just give my grandma a list of instructions for doing this so she can get to Facebook. I'll let you know how it works out.
Obviously you'd want to productize it (see WebTV, Mighty browser).
Re: How web bloat impacts users with slow devices
#50If you don't have a good phone and a high speed connection, you don't have any money to spend on either the sites products or the products of their advertisers.
When looked at from that angle, bloat is a feature.
It's not reasonable to have an expectation of quality when it comes to the web.