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Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by flkiwi »

sf_rob wrote: post #123
steve1977 wrote: post #98

I gotta say, 10 or 15 years ago, Mac OS X would have been worth the effort and it was basically what justified buying Apple hardware for me. Nowadays, if anything, it's the hardware that justifies buying Apple, and the operating systems are something I can live with. I don't see any compelling reason to use macOS on non-Apple hardware today (except hacking for hackings sake)

I’m fairly unaware of the current state of Linux on Apple M hardware, but I’d want a Linux partition on Apple hardware more than a Mac partition on x86. These days I have two devices though.

Writing to you from NixOS on an M2 Air. Aside from a handful of missing packages that aren't available for the architecture, it's shockingly good. My battery is reporting 19 hours remaining, and "setup" took about 20 minutes (not counting the brief time writing a new machine definition in my NixOS config). I don't have any fundamental issues with macos, but it's nice to have a consistent environment across machines, and this hardware is glorious.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by mysteria »

_puk wrote: post #145
mysteria wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the classic "money is time, time is money" conundrum. A teenager doesn't have the money to buy a fancy car or computer but they have the time to tweak and experiment to get the most out of it. Meanwhile an adult has the money but not the time, assuming they have a full time job, kids, etc. So they're willing to spend the money to get products that work and would rather spend their limited time with their fami…

When you're young you have all the time, all the energy, but none of the money. When you're an adult you have all the energy, all the money, but none of the time. When you're a retiree you have all of the money, all of the time, but none of the energy. A generalisation of course, but quite apt!

The only way out of this is an early retirement in a LCOL area or a job with a very good WLB (which is likely pretty rare for most HNers in the tech industry). Even ignoring overtime I'm typically tired when I get home from work and have other commitments alongside my hobbies and tinkering.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by mturmon »

nullwarp wrote: post #91
peruvian wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s just parroting a usual HN-ism of ignoring the topic and talking about themselves. I’ve seen the “I used to tinker but now I don’t” line a hundred times as well as the “this doesn’t apply to me so I don’t care - let me tell you how”.

Isn't that the truth. For a site with the word "hacker" in it there seem to be so few of them. I can't imagine letting all that curiosity die out of me like the parent comment implies. I don't have the amount of time I used to to do that stuff either but the curiosity of it has never died and if I had more time I'd still do it. If I ever lost that drive I think I'd rather be dead.

I’m going to gently pile on to the sibling comment here, and note that the “hacking” we find interesting should and does change over time. I used to spend time hacking PDP-11 assembly code to make games. That got old, and if I play a game now it’s purchased. The stuff I hack on now is more like applied math.

This is all good and natural, if it’s organic and not growing it’s probably not alive.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by int_19h »

pixl97 wrote: post #104
threeseed wrote: post #64

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WSL still doesn't have the proper UNIX like experience of macOS. And there is no decent equivalent to homebrew.

I mean with Hyper-V why even WSL and just run VMs of whatever other OS'es you want? Tinkering with the OS these days is just so much different than it was in the past. Trying to dual boot Win/Linux back in the day was a interesting challenge that might leave your disk corrupt, now it's a question of why do that at all? Hacking smaller platforms like the pi that are cheap seems to get more attention than PCs these day…

WSL gives you much better integration with the rest of the OS. These days it even covers GUI Linux apps.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by int_19h »

bmitc wrote: post #139
lm411 wrote: post #132

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> There's not even a built-in way to uninstall programs in macOS. It's bizarre. You literally just drag the app to the trash can. Properly sandboxed Mac apps are a delight to uninstall. Yes, some apps are more difficult, but those are usually Windows apps that are crudely ported to MacOS and that's on the developers for not creating proper MacOS apps.

Yes. Everyone knows that. But that doesn't uninstall the application. It just deletes the top files. It doesn't remove any caching or configurations or other files in other parts of the system like a Windows uninstaller does. To do that on macOS, there are third-party apps that provide this functionality.

Windows uninstallers generally don't remove configurations and cached data, either.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by ponector »

wkat4242 wrote: post #141
zozbot234 wrote: post #135

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> Not everyone can drop $2k on a laptop That's what most laptops used to cost back in the 1990s or so (after adjusting for inflation). If you look further back in time, hardware was even more expensive - and it couldn't even do 10% of what a modern MacBook does. Modern hardware is ridiculously cheap.

In the 90s most people didn't have a laptop for that very reason. They just owned desktops which were way cheaper. I studied computer science then and I knew 1 student out of 50 that had an actual laptop. Even at the uni we had to use their computer rooms full of desktops and X terminals.

In the 90s no one I know had a computer at home. Nintendo/Sega maybe, rich guys had Play Station, but no one had PC.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by DrNosferatu »

Retr0id wrote: post #2

macOS supports running as a paravirtualised guest OS (officially, on an apple-hardware host also running macOS). If there is to be a "next gen" of hackintoshing, I think it'd be based on a cut-down linux host acting as a shim between the real hardware and the paravirt interface. See also: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230830161425.91946-1-graf@amaz... "This patch set introduces a new ARM and HVF specific machine type…

Came here to write what the parent is saying: exploit the virtualization route to trick MacOS into running on the target hardware.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by t-3 »

mmcnl wrote: post #224
zozbot234 wrote: post #191

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> Linux is only free if your time is worthless! This argument is quite out of date. You'll lose a whole lot more time on forced Windows 10/11 updates than you'd spend managing a reasonable Linux installation. ("Reasonable" meaning avoid things like Arch or Ubuntu, and pick decent, natively supported hardware.)

This is absolutely false. I run dual-boot Windows and Linux on hardware that has 100% Linux support. Windows just works, the same cannot be said for Linux unless all you do is use a browser and listen to Spotify.

There are pain points on both. Audio on Linux is still annoying if your system isn't very vanilla, while Windows sucks at bluetooth, configurability, and has a lot of annoying anti-user "features".

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by hparadiz »

xcv123 wrote: post #211
bluescrn wrote: post #192

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I wouldn't count on 10 years of real-world life from a non-upgradeable and 'repair-resistant' device with a glued in battery, even if the hardware specs are good enough to last that long.

That's 5 years of ownership. $2500 USD for a 16" then you get something back on the second hand market.

I'm happy with the M1 air pro for 700. Could use 256 more SSD but it's not worth $500 extra that apple wants to charge.
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