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Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by jwells89 »

jupp0r wrote: post #59
ricardobeat wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it is almost an unusably bad experience to simply browse the web and move files around Cannot relate at all. "Move files around" is essentially the same on Windows and Mac, except on the Mac I have a UNIX shell. Browsers also behave exactly the same on every platform, and Safari is snappy and the least memory-hungry of all. What is it about?

Have you ever needed to perform a reliable recursive directory copy between two drives on Windows? I have and it turned out to be a comically complicated task. Robocopy helps but als has its edge cases you need to handle. Also long path names become problematic (MAX_PATH etc).

I don’t know how Windows users deal with file copying being as bad as it is and has been there for so long.

Linux can have issues here too though, depending on the file manager being used. Some file managers there still have weirdly bad copy/move handling.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by sp332 »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #85
bsdpufferfish wrote: post #3

Additional reasons: - there is less alternative hardware I want to use. I want Apple Silicon processors, materials, and there just isn't much high quality competition. - Because of inflation the Apple premium isn't as high as it used to be. You get a Mac mini or MacBook Air at very competitive prices (RAM is still painful). - Linux Desktop software is more competitive and fills some of the roles that needed macOS bef…

RAM and storage are both incredibly painful. $200 to add 8GB RAM to the base 8GB (16GB total). $400 to add 16GB RAM to the base (24GB total). $200 to add 256GB storage to the base 256GB (512GB total). $400 to add 768GB storage to the base 256GB (1TB total). $800 to add 1768GB storage to the base 256GB (2TB total). For comparison, a faster 2TB nvme PCIE4 SSD is a bit over $100.

Right, but you can add storage without soldering.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by marcodiego »

NoxiousPluK wrote: post #29
WWLink wrote: post #9

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This is the one 'creative' use case I know of where Macs actually are better - the lag and latency issues on Windows still seem pretty bad. I spent the last week shopping around for an audio interface and every single model had people complaining about driver issues and latency and "random loud static" or other crazy things when using Windows. Always Windows. Crazy stuff.

As someone who does quite some audio stuff on Windows, using Focusrite Scarlett interfaces - I never encountered issues like that. On Linux however..

It was just posted today: https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2024/03/15/pipewire-camera-ha...

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by jwells89 »

bmitc wrote: post #34
joemi wrote: post #14

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I strongly disagree re:Apple software. We must have drastically different usage scenarios, since I find it a pleasure. What software do you have issue with, and why?

Homebrew is a nightmare. Nearly every development tool on macOS requires some sort of workaround, usually found in the depths of forums or StackOverflow. Apple has also positioned macOS to be the absolute worst platform for graphics libraries. They only support Metal and an outdated version of OpenGL which they'll remove entirely at one point. Windows directly supports DirectX, Vulkan, and OpenGL. Go ahead and try to…

To nitpick a bit, IIRC Windows itself doesn’t support Vulkan, that’s left to GPU vendors.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by shagie »

asdff wrote: post #60
bsdpufferfish wrote: post #3

Additional reasons: - there is less alternative hardware I want to use. I want Apple Silicon processors, materials, and there just isn't much high quality competition. - Because of inflation the Apple premium isn't as high as it used to be. You get a Mac mini or MacBook Air at very competitive prices (RAM is still painful). - Linux Desktop software is more competitive and fills some of the roles that needed macOS bef…

Apple silicon is unfortunately still at a premium. I was shopping around for used M1 mac minis and a 16gb model (minimum acceptable imo) was like $500-600 second hand. You can get an 8th or 9th gen off lease computer for like $100-200 that is close enough to the m1, sometimes with 16gb already in there with the option to add in 128gb, multiple drive bays, pcie, etc.

> I was shopping around for used M1 mac minis and a 16gb model (minimum acceptable imo) was like $500-600 second hand.

That's because a M1 mini with 16gb still has a lot of utility in it that hasn't depreciated significantly in the 2 years since it's been released. My M1 (8gb) is still happily sitting in a media consumption part of my day and is not showing any signs of age. I would be surprised if, for the role that it has, it becomes outdated in another 2 or 3 years... and wouldn't be surprised if it lasts another 2 or 3 beyond that.

If you spent $700 on it in 2020 at release, it is still working as well as it did on the day you bought it.

You may be seeing the premium from when it was bought being attached to the current used price - and there are less expensive ones available now - but the device, for what it was when I got it is still providing value and selling it used would mean I'd need to get a new one... at a similar price as what I'd sell it for.

> sometimes with 16gb already in there with the option to add in 128gb, multiple drive bays, pcie, etc.

I will note that for me, in the spot where it is, the "multiple drive bays, pcie, etc." represents a worse device as it doesn't sit nicely under a monitor on a small desk. Part of the choice of the Mac mini for me for that role was its form factor and quiet running.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by KeplerBoy »

ktosobcy wrote: post #100
bruce511 wrote: post #13

Back in my youth, when I was time rich and cash poor, this kind of tinkering was fun and a good way to improve the machine I was using. Now that I have more disposable cash, but waaay less time, I couldn't imagine "wasting my time" doing this sort of thing. These days I want to -use- the computer, not spend time trying to convince it to work. Incidentally it's the exact same journey with my cars. 35 years ago I was f…

Same story but with custom Android ROMs

those were the days. Nowadays it alls feels same-ish and boring. Can't wait for a new kind of device where not everything has been figured out yet.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by meepmorp »

MenhirMike wrote: post #99
k12sosse wrote: post #76

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Good is relative. Windows 2000 never reset your preferences on an update of the OS.

Windows 2000 was the pinnacle of Windows. Rock solid, and that was before they broke the search function (when it actually still actually searched in files rather than an incomplete index - thankfully, grepWin can be installed) or when they dumbed down the Control Panel.

You're the only person I've ever seen who agrees with me on that. W2K was the perfect windows - more polished than NT4, less bullshit than XP.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by prmoustache »

j33zusjuice wrote: post #92
vehemenz wrote: post #63

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Cost of ownership of an M3 MacBook Pro is like $300-400 a year. Even if you have the time, it's just not worth it anymore like it used to be.

It seems reasonable when you consider TCO, but you still have to pay 100% up front. Not everyone can drop $2k on a laptop, most people don’t need to.

But more people can certainly afford a second hand mac mini which doesn't cost more than the sum of the parts of a typical hackintosh.

Re: Hackintosh is almost dead

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Post by [deleted] »

bruce511 wrote: post #13

Back in my youth, when I was time rich and cash poor, this kind of tinkering was fun and a good way to improve the machine I was using. Now that I have more disposable cash, but waaay less time, I couldn't imagine "wasting my time" doing this sort of thing. These days I want to -use- the computer, not spend time trying to convince it to work. Incidentally it's the exact same journey with my cars. 35 years ago I was f…

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