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Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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osigurdson wrote: post #80
margorczynski wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how many experts do you need? Most dev jobs are mostly repetitive plumbing and those might disappear very fast because 1 dev + LLM >= 5 devs without. So what we'll see is an increase in company margins and an elimination of a large swathe of the middle class. The alternative theory is that if everyone can now quickly create systems multiple companies and competing products will pop off which will drive down the m…

>> Most dev jobs are mostly repetitive plumbing Those jobs should go away. Basically, the elimination of anything boring is ultimately a net good for humanity.

Neat idea. That solves everything.

Oh, one quick thing. I'm sure it's nothing, but I'm a bit slow.

How do you get new experts if no one gets to do the junior work that gives them the experience to become an expert?

Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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smokel wrote: post #7

Great achievement, but what a horrible future we are facing. Instead of progressing towards more powerful programming interfaces with less cause for misinterpretation, we are going to automate the silly process of writing redundant unit tests to check if the behavior that we wanted was encoded properly. Why not skip this nonsense and have the code generated from the behavior in the first place?

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Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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jaylittle wrote: post #40

It's really depressing to see that big tech is essentially universally pushing Snake Oil. AI is a lie. LLMs are a legit tech that have some purpose, but LLMs will never evolve into anything remotely resembling the actual definition of AI. They are flowery language generators and they will never be able to reason, understand, debate and criticize. They know nothing and therefore embody nothing. No matter how much comp…

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Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by reaperman »

Sindisil wrote: post #111
osigurdson wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Most dev jobs are mostly repetitive plumbing Those jobs should go away. Basically, the elimination of anything boring is ultimately a net good for humanity.

Neat idea. That solves everything. Oh, one quick thing. I'm sure it's nothing, but I'm a bit slow. How do you get new experts if no one gets to do the junior work that gives them the experience to become an expert?

Unions and apprenticeships?

Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #90
ThalesX wrote: post #68

I'm a software and product guy; what I don't get, is how we're going to replace us lowly engineers and not a substantial percentage of a company's Human stack. Close to engineering, what about the SCRUM masters? The testers. What about the product owners? What about devops? Further from us, what about the people signing up on our vacation? Or the ones signing up on our daily budgets when traveling, or hell, even the…

I feel like no matter how productive AI becomes, it will always be more productive when paired with humans. Since all companies will have AI, and since they will continue to play the same game as before--sell a good or service that provides a better value than the competition--that means that humans will still be the differentiator.

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Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by emehex »

croes wrote: post #84

Imagine we had this technology 20 years ago and we switched to fully automated web design. I bet all web design would still be deeply nested tables. I doubt that something like React, Vue, Svelte would exist.

I think about this "potential for ossification" a lot, especially in the Python Data Stack.

Because there's a ton of pandas code on GitHub (much of it trash) any data task asked of ChatGPT/Claude inevitably returns some pandas (mostly correct, but often wrong/inefficient/ugly/hard to grok).

How could a new library (like Polars, or my own failed "redframes") possibly unseat pandas now? Might LLMs actually lead us to, and get us stuck in, a "local maximum" of sorts?

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