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Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by wredue »

avereveard wrote: post #92

IT industry "we cannot use formal methods to create software out of programmable constraints, it would use too much computational power" also IT industry: "it takes 1T flop to compute each token of this program and the result is so unstable that to converge it we need layer and layer of controls over each token group, also obtained by asking the same 1T parameter model."

You are the first person I’ve ever seen use that argument against formal methods.

Most people would point to the large dev time increase, and the massive refactoring impairment.

Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by consumer451 »

saran945 wrote: post #2

If LLM/Agents contribute to software development, how does the role of software engineers evolve? SE should focus on : - System design - Integrations - Project management etc or the job will disappear in 10 years ?

When it comes to Dall-E and Sora, I think the answer is that you still need someone to create the narrative, a good story teller.

In terms of stuff like AutoDev, that's a product person, right?

I think at least for now, we will still need human "customer development."

Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by blibble »

franticgecko3 wrote: post #97

Why are technologists trying so hard to make themselves redundant? This is like the Luddites themselves creating milling machines, eager for the foreman to show them the door. What gives?

they'll get a $20k bonus

then in 5 years time they'll rendered permanently unemployable by their own creation

the definitions of both "short sighted" and "digging your own grave" in the dictionary should have a picture of this guy: https://twitter.com/alexgraveley/status/1671213996735594503

he's finally realised how it's going to end up going: https://twitter.com/alexgraveley/status/1758204137286599030

shame he wasn't smart enough to realise that at the beginning

Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by squigz »

franticgecko3 wrote: post #97

Why are technologists trying so hard to make themselves redundant? This is like the Luddites themselves creating milling machines, eager for the foreman to show them the door. What gives?

Some people care more about progress than something that occurs to every industry at some point. Some people also realize that as technology changes, so does the job of using technology.

Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by mhuffman »

franticgecko3 wrote: post #97

Why are technologists trying so hard to make themselves redundant? This is like the Luddites themselves creating milling machines, eager for the foreman to show them the door. What gives?

There is a delusion that everything is always "creative destruction" because in the past it often was. This ends up with people thinking that this will just get rid of the LCD developers, but "real" developers will always be needed and have jobs. In reality, it could quickly get to a point where the only developers left are maintaining code that has replaced developers and everyone else just has to go find a non-tech job.

Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by [deleted] »

avereveard wrote: post #92

IT industry "we cannot use formal methods to create software out of programmable constraints, it would use too much computational power" also IT industry: "it takes 1T flop to compute each token of this program and the result is so unstable that to converge it we need layer and layer of controls over each token group, also obtained by asking the same 1T parameter model."

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Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by ixaxaar »

franticgecko3 wrote: post #97

Why are technologists trying so hard to make themselves redundant? This is like the Luddites themselves creating milling machines, eager for the foreman to show them the door. What gives?

To prove some kind of superiority over all programmers?

I think that would fit idiot savant logic very well.

Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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ThalesX wrote: post #68

I'm a software and product guy; what I don't get, is how we're going to replace us lowly engineers and not a substantial percentage of a company's Human stack. Close to engineering, what about the SCRUM masters? The testers. What about the product owners? What about devops? Further from us, what about the people signing up on our vacation? Or the ones signing up on our daily budgets when traveling, or hell, even the…

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