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Re: Abnormal brain structure seen in children with developmental language issues

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Post by verisimi » Sat, Mar 16, 2024, 7:35 AM UTC

ineedaj0b wrote: post #19

I’ve got one of these brains. Dyslexic. I still to this day, cannot hear what syllables are in words. ‘Cat’, 1? I hear 2. I cannot understand when I mispronounce words. I get corrected often and repeat back the correction but it sounds like what I said the first time. I have a fantastic memory, a great imagination, and nonstop dreams during the night. I don’t enjoy the dreams anymore, I’m pretty bored of them now tha…

> I don’t enjoy the dreams anymore, I’m pretty bored of them now that I know what they probably do mechanically.

Why would you think that you know what the dreams are? Could you tell the rest of us please? Perhaps you are coming at this from a materialistic perspective?

I personally don't think there is anything straightforward about dreams. Whether you take a 'spiritual' approach (have you ever had a deja vu?) or a psychoanalytic view (messages from the subconscious, whatever that is) or some other perspective, there is nothing mechanistic or boring in dreams for me.

Re: Abnormal brain structure seen in children with developmental language issues

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Post by verisimi » Sat, Mar 16, 2024, 7:41 AM UTC

hibikir wrote: post #8

dukeofdoom wrote: post #2

I remember a few years back reading how cellphone signals will cause mental disturbances. I'm not claiming it has, though sometimes I do think the world is going kind of bonkers. Just that eventually we will definitely stumble into something like this. Just like the Romans were oblivious drinking from lead pipes was causing their mental problems. If there's a mass psychosis event, would the people under going it even…

While I can't quite say how big each effect is, it's undeniable that a big part of the difference in autism diagnosis is just the fact that we test at all. I grew up in the 80s, where the level for someone to be diagnosed with autism required being pretty close to non verbal. But if I look at my old classmates and think of people with significant sensory issues, social dysfunction and such, it's easy to imagine that…

Maybe it's the definition of "normal" that is the real problem?

If I use a pebble as my metric, some things we think of as 'small' would have to be counted as 'big'. The idea of abnormal is all wrong imo, but just the idea brings constraints with it.

Re: Abnormal brain structure seen in children with developmental language issues

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Post by mylastattempt » Sat, Mar 16, 2024, 8:06 AM UTC

verisimi wrote: post #21

ineedaj0b wrote: post #19

I’ve got one of these brains. Dyslexic. I still to this day, cannot hear what syllables are in words. ‘Cat’, 1? I hear 2. I cannot understand when I mispronounce words. I get corrected often and repeat back the correction but it sounds like what I said the first time. I have a fantastic memory, a great imagination, and nonstop dreams during the night. I don’t enjoy the dreams anymore, I’m pretty bored of them now tha…

> I don’t enjoy the dreams anymore, I’m pretty bored of them now that I know what they probably do mechanically. Why would you think that you know what the dreams are? Could you tell the rest of us please? Perhaps you are coming at this from a materialistic perspective? I personally don't think there is anything straightforward about dreams. Whether you take a 'spiritual' approach (have you ever had a deja vu?) or a…

Just pitching in my 2 cents here, and not sure if it is what the parent commenter meant:

When I "realized" that dreams and dejavu's are all, litteraly just in your head, and just memories and visualizations that your brain is connecting together, I realized that reality is the same. You're just getting signals and processing them. Wether they come from outside ("real") or from within yourself, it doesn't really matter as long as you can tell the difference.

what I appreciated about the realization of dejavu and dreams being what they are, was that it gave me a much firmer grasp and believe that I can control my feelings and escape to a little fantasy where this worlds rules dont apply. And also accept that when you're just feeling shit, it's fine for a while, just some chemicals not playing ball.

Re: Abnormal brain structure seen in children with developmental language issues

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Post by ineedaj0b » Sat, Mar 16, 2024, 8:17 AM UTC

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #20

ineedaj0b wrote: post #19

I’ve got one of these brains. Dyslexic. I still to this day, cannot hear what syllables are in words. ‘Cat’, 1? I hear 2. I cannot understand when I mispronounce words. I get corrected often and repeat back the correction but it sounds like what I said the first time. I have a fantastic memory, a great imagination, and nonstop dreams during the night. I don’t enjoy the dreams anymore, I’m pretty bored of them now tha…

But you write and read fine apparently? I always thougth it was linked.

When I write I leave out a lot ‘the’ and ‘a’ and ‘an’. I have to edit what I write often (and I usually still don’t notice them missing).

I have trouble reading when I’m tired. Or fully awake making out handwriting.

I have many years of practice adding a’s, the’s, and you’s - people will ignore everything you write if you come across as mentally subpar.

Re: Abnormal brain structure seen in children with developmental language issues

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Post by falserum » Sat, Mar 16, 2024, 8:51 AM UTC

ineedaj0b wrote: post #24

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you write and read fine apparently? I always thougth it was linked.

When I write I leave out a lot ‘the’ and ‘a’ and ‘an’. I have to edit what I write often (and I usually still don’t notice them missing). I have trouble reading when I’m tired. Or fully awake making out handwriting. I have many years of practice adding a’s, the’s, and you’s - people will ignore everything you write if you come across as mentally subpar.

Are audiobooks much easier for you than physical books? (I’m just comparing notes)

Re: Abnormal brain structure seen in children with developmental language issues

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Post by falserum » Sat, Mar 16, 2024, 8:57 AM UTC

sph wrote: post #17

Duwensatzaj wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s also some non-environmental reasons. 1) Increased diagnosis due to A) Increased awareness of the issue for both parents and medical staff. I think that one is clearly true. B) Rational response to educational incentives around relaxed testing for those diagnosed with syndromes. Extra testing time is big. During the Varsity Blues scandal it came out that you could buy paperwork for accommodations for around $5…

While you make very good points, I think as society we are quite quick at discounting unknown unknowns in this case. Science and diagnostic methods have advanced a lot, but it is not at all improbable that there is some kind of man-made factor that also caused an increase in incidence of autism (or any other modern chronic disease, such as ADHD like I am). Being an unknown unknown, we literally cannot know until x de…

Problem is that unknown unknows are not actionable.

You dont even know what or where to look for them.

(Though I agree regarding hubris part)

Re: Abnormal brain structure seen in children with developmental language issues

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Post by ineedaj0b » Sat, Mar 16, 2024, 9:26 AM UTC

verisimi wrote: post #21

ineedaj0b wrote: post #19

I’ve got one of these brains. Dyslexic. I still to this day, cannot hear what syllables are in words. ‘Cat’, 1? I hear 2. I cannot understand when I mispronounce words. I get corrected often and repeat back the correction but it sounds like what I said the first time. I have a fantastic memory, a great imagination, and nonstop dreams during the night. I don’t enjoy the dreams anymore, I’m pretty bored of them now tha…

> I don’t enjoy the dreams anymore, I’m pretty bored of them now that I know what they probably do mechanically. Why would you think that you know what the dreams are? Could you tell the rest of us please? Perhaps you are coming at this from a materialistic perspective? I personally don't think there is anything straightforward about dreams. Whether you take a 'spiritual' approach (have you ever had a deja vu?) or a…

I can tell you but it’s a bit depressing. So turn back yea who are happy! Don’t read this. I thought it was something spiritual/mystical when I was younger and I liked that a lot more! And if you wanna keep enjoying dreams collapse my comment right now!!!

Here’s the boring nightmare: so… your mind is thinking what comes next? What comes next? And it’s corrected repeatedly by information from the eyes and ears. Maybe the nose. It constantly corrects and that’s your ‘experience’.

When you dream the system is still running; just no correction from the eyes

so you see a man in your dream and your brain goes -> what’s next? And it’ll take a guess. If good: nicer dream. If bad: bad(der) dream. Frankly, it’s usually something (seemingly) random which counts as neutral.

When wacky things happen your eye input isn’t correcting, so things get pretty wild or tame depending on how good your brains prediction is.

Your brain is going through scenarios with no correcting input.

Since I realized this 8-9 years ago I’ve been trying to prove this wrong to myself.

I wish it was spiritual or mystical but it’s pretty conclusively my deluded half asleep mind doing this. I have said goodbye to loved ones in dreams, a physically impossible scenario and it’s like your living it, just no reality correction from the eyes or ears.

Most people forget their dreams, but I get 4-6 a night EVERY damn night and they are like being awake!

ps. If anyone knows how to reduce dreaming please leave a comment! I don’t mind dreaming, but I envy falling asleep and waking up 7-8 hours in the future ready for the next day.

Re: Abnormal brain structure seen in children with developmental language issues

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Post by ineedaj0b » Sat, Mar 16, 2024, 9:27 AM UTC

mylastattempt wrote: post #23

verisimi wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t enjoy the dreams anymore, I’m pretty bored of them now that I know what they probably do mechanically. Why would you think that you know what the dreams are? Could you tell the rest of us please? Perhaps you are coming at this from a materialistic perspective? I personally don't think there is anything straightforward about dreams. Whether you take a 'spiritual' approach (have you ever had a deja vu?) or a…

Just pitching in my 2 cents here, and not sure if it is what the parent commenter meant: When I "realized" that dreams and dejavu's are all, litteraly just in your head, and just memories and visualizations that your brain is connecting together, I realized that reality is the same. You're just getting signals and processing them. Wether they come from outside ("real") or from within yourself, it doesn't really matte…

You’re on the right track!

Re: Abnormal brain structure seen in children with developmental language issues

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Post by ineedaj0b » Sat, Mar 16, 2024, 9:39 AM UTC

falserum wrote: post #25

ineedaj0b wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I write I leave out a lot ‘the’ and ‘a’ and ‘an’. I have to edit what I write often (and I usually still don’t notice them missing). I have trouble reading when I’m tired. Or fully awake making out handwriting. I have many years of practice adding a’s, the’s, and you’s - people will ignore everything you write if you come across as mentally subpar.

Are audiobooks much easier for you than physical books? (I’m just comparing notes)

Audiobooks are easier! However, I don’t retain details or turns of phrase very well.

Physical books are slower but I can quote lines and remember more details. This might have to do with the longer consumption time…

1 week for physical or 3 days for an audiobook. More time mulling over the physical text = better memories maybe

I prefer audiobooks for difficult subjects, physical books for pleasure

Re: Abnormal brain structure seen in children with developmental language issues

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Post by RheingoldRiver » Sat, Mar 16, 2024, 9:58 AM UTC

ineedaj0b wrote: post #27

verisimi wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t enjoy the dreams anymore, I’m pretty bored of them now that I know what they probably do mechanically. Why would you think that you know what the dreams are? Could you tell the rest of us please? Perhaps you are coming at this from a materialistic perspective? I personally don't think there is anything straightforward about dreams. Whether you take a 'spiritual' approach (have you ever had a deja vu?) or a…

I can tell you but it’s a bit depressing. So turn back yea who are happy! Don’t read this. I thought it was something spiritual/mystical when I was younger and I liked that a lot more! And if you wanna keep enjoying dreams collapse my comment right now!!! Here’s the boring nightmare: so… your mind is thinking what comes next? What comes next? And it’s corrected repeatedly by information from the eyes and ears. Maybe…

> ps. If anyone knows how to reduce dreaming please leave a comment! I don’t mind dreaming, but I envy falling asleep and waking up 7-8 hours in the future ready for the next day.

I had many more / worse dreams when on anti-insomnia drugs, so if you are taking those I would suggest trying to stop. Although, getting off anti-insomnia medication is a terrible, terrible experience for a couple weeks (and get medical advice etc of course).