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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by boringg »

publius_0xf3 wrote: post #170
lukan wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never heard of that before. What stands out to me is, that the executive person ordering it, Steve Wymer, was not charged at all, despite making very plain statements: "Wymer texted Baugh that Ina Steiner was a "biased troll who needs to be BURNED DOWN"; that he wanted "to see ashes"; and that Baugh should do "whatever it takes."" I would imagine the same will happen here(if it was murder). Some pawns get executed, w…

[Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_tur... )

Never knew that was the origin.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by burnished »

JackFr wrote: post #407
burnished wrote: post #391

Feels kind of gross to include the nieces observation that he had been stressed as some kind of counterpoint to the statement in the title.

Why? A completely unvetted “family friend” who won’t even give a last name provides a salacious quote that’s completely unverifiable. A niece, known to be related and with a name and address offers a counterpoint. It’s ok to be skeptical. Things like: What did the note say? Where did the gun come from? Is there any CCTV video from the hotel and garage? still need to be investigated by the police. It is possible that…

Because being stressed in that situation is expected and isn't in any way a counter claim, yet was offered like it was.

You calling it a counterpoint is actually my point - it in no way is. Being skeptical is good but that isn't skepticism its the gullibility of the cynic

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by zer00eyz »

kylecazar wrote: post #425

I'm not saying one thing or another happened, I don't know. But surely we know enough about suicide to not use 'he seemed so happy and full of life' to support a murder argument. If it was an assassination, this is some Michael Clayton level stuff.

“He was suffering from PTSD and anxiety attacks as a result of being subjected to the hostile work environment at Boeing, which we believe led to his death,” the brother said. FROM: https://apnews.com/article/boeing-whistleblower-death-appare...

He is also known to have quit Boeing on the advice of a DR who said if he stayed he was going to have a heart attack.

PTSD+Anxiety+Gun = suicide from a statistical point of view. Without the gun it is much more likely to be an "attempt".

The family wasnt shocked, and they still blamed Boeing...

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by goodSteveramos »

ars wrote: post #384
goodSteveramos wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its very telling that the major corporate news site chose to frame it as suicide “after” testifying when in fact he was found dead just hours before he was scheduled to give more testimony. They just as easily could have said he was found dead before scheduled testimony.

Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but it said he did most of his testimony already, and had just one session left to finish. Seems pointless to kill someone at that point, not to mention how public his name is. If you were going to kill him, doing it a month ago makes way way more sense.

If testifying in court is stressful enough to cause suicide, it seems pointless to wait until you are almost finished to do it. The message other whistle blowers will get is that people who blow the whistle on corporate America will be found dead in their cars one way or the other.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by burnished »

foofie wrote: post #411
burnished wrote: post #391

Feels kind of gross to include the nieces observation that he had been stressed as some kind of counterpoint to the statement in the title.

> Feels kind of gross to include the nieces observation that he had been stressed as some kind of counterpoint to the statement in the title. You're grossly misrepresenting what the nieces actually said. The article is quite unequivocal: the quote in the article is literally "stressed and depressed". Why did you opted to omit the reference to depression? Do you think direct statements from his family should be ignore…

Because the article is short enough I felt comfortable referring to it in a shortened manner.

Did I complain about that quote from the brother? So why are you bringing it up?

Its fucking ghoulish to use a nieces statement that the fun uncle got less fun leading up to this stressful thing as a counterpoint here.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by burnished »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #402
burnished wrote: post #391

Feels kind of gross to include the nieces observation that he had been stressed as some kind of counterpoint to the statement in the title.

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That is not evidence. This is actually my problem - the lot of you treating that tidbit as if it was indicative of an actual suicide are only doing so because it was offered as it, which has more to do with sentence structure than your reasoning faculties.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by TeaBrain »

georgespencer wrote: post #415
TeaBrain wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a strong opinion on the matter, but it does not seem accurate to categorize this as a fringe theory. According to a Insider poll conducted in 2019, over 40% of respondents thought that he was killed and less than 20% were convinced that he committed suicide. I also think it is inaccurate to categorize the issue as having sharp clarity in either direction as you are doing.

> Insider poll Sorry but lol at Insider being your source for robust polling of the American zeitgeist. In 2019 Certus put the figure of Americans believing he was murdered at 35%, with the remainder believing it to be suicide or "don't know". "Don't know" is the critical thing here: there aren't too many more crazy conspiracists who could be shown the overwhelming evidence of suicide and conclude that it was murder.…

I used it as an example of polling, as I thought it was merely an interesting poll result, but I never said I had any given opinion of the source. I looked up the Certus Insights poll you've mentioned, which also had interesting results. The results were that 37% believed it was likely suicide and 35% believed it was likely murder. That is a 51.3% vs 48.6% split for those who did not respond that they were unsure. These two figures are quite close. To add to that, the Certus poll found that over 30% each of Democrats, Independents and Republicans believed it to be murder. That is not a tiny fringe as you claimed it to be.

As an aside, I don't believe that most of the 1/3 of each party's members that were polled think that there is some sort of "dark cabal". That is just you baselessly projecting, just as was your unnecessary projection of opinion of using an Insider poll.

https://certusinsights.com/new-certus-poll-results-americans...

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by ghotchaii »

salawat wrote: post #365
adolph wrote: post #350

At some level it is hard to contemplate a conspiracy to silence a whistleblower, but on the other hand: https://www.wcvb.com/article/ebay-employees-who-sent-live-sp...

No it isn't. Snitches get stitches is as true in the boardroom as it is on the streets. Y'all just haven't seen the wrath of a psychopathic type with something to lose scorned. Perceived betrayal starts wars, divides families, and gets people killed. We're talking killing 1 guy to prevent or forestall millions to billions in damages, and years in prison for very rich, high profile, powerful people with stakes in one…

They are only too happy to delude themselves here. Hacker news is filled with blue pilled dweebs.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by burnished »

theultdev wrote: post #418
JackFr wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? A completely unvetted “family friend” who won’t even give a last name provides a salacious quote that’s completely unverifiable. A niece, known to be related and with a name and address offers a counterpoint. It’s ok to be skeptical. Things like: What did the note say? Where did the gun come from? Is there any CCTV video from the hotel and garage? still need to be investigated by the police. It is possible that…

I wonder why they wouldn't give a last name... Half the "news" articles nowadays are "sources familiar with the matter". Now that Boeing is in the hot seat we want to identify journalist sources? And I don't think there's a rule that we can only talk about things that have been fully investigated. It's on ongoing current event and a development in it. It can be talked about if people want to talk about it and can do…

What I'm realizing now is that I needed to do some educating as part of that comment - I'm surprised that so many people are interpreting those statements from the family as evidence of suicidal feelings, ideation, and planning.
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