This kind of veritas belongs on Twitter, and not just with friends. Doing so completely removes hearsay from the equation.
'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#422I feel like when there is financial malfeasance, we find enough cases of it in the wild to document that it has really happened. Whether it's Enron, or stories of lobbyists and politicians acting in self interest in ways that break the law, or even just municipal officials embezzling, we have known cases of that. So if you ever have the feeling that big financial transactions might be ethically questionable, you can…
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#423Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you believe Epstein was murdered you are in a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of very gullible or very simple minded people. Upon a cursory review of both the facts of the matter and the very best arguments conspiracists can copy and paste, it is self-evident that he killed himself.
How is it self-evident? I agree that evidence of a murder is not conclusive but evidence of a suicide is virtually nonexistent. What facts in this case are consistent with suicide but not with murder?
> evidence of a suicide is virtually nonexistent
1. Epstein was found hanged in his cell
2. Video footage from the communal area an assassin would have to use for entrance/egress was analyzed by the FBI and showed nobody entering his block
3. There is video footage of his first suicide attempt on July 23rd, a few weeks before he was found hanging in his cell[^1]
4. An investigation by the FBI, and an autopsy performed by a coroner, concluded that the death was a suicide.
Now you go. Tell me what evidence you have of murder. Address all of my points. Read the DOJ report.
[^1]: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/20/video-of-jeffrey-epstein-jai...
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#424Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's easy when your world view hinges on the fact that responsible adults are running the world.
This would necessarily apply to the investigation, as well.
And would make the two guards who admitted falsifying reports… the worst patsies in history? And presumably the FBI and DOJ are in on it too? And the camera footage showing nobody entered his block is fake too?
It's so achingly dumb. HN has a really awful conspiratorial leaning these days, it's completely baffling to me.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#425I'm not saying one thing or another happened, I don't know. But surely we know enough about suicide to not use 'he seemed so happy and full of life' to support a murder argument.
If it was an assassination, this is some Michael Clayton level stuff.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#426I feel like when there is financial malfeasance, we find enough cases of it in the wild to document that it has really happened. Whether it's Enron, or stories of lobbyists and politicians acting in self interest in ways that break the law, or even just municipal officials embezzling, we have known cases of that. So if you ever have the feeling that big financial transactions might be ethically questionable, you can…
Perhaps the death of Jeffrey Epstein shows that this sort of thing does happen in the West. I know the case is not of the same kind, but the perpetrator was very likely a corporate type trying to protect their reputation, which is at least close.
All joking aside, was there anything in the Epstein case to indicate foul play or is it just a meme? I can't find anything reputable.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#427I feel like when there is financial malfeasance, we find enough cases of it in the wild to document that it has really happened. Whether it's Enron, or stories of lobbyists and politicians acting in self interest in ways that break the law, or even just municipal officials embezzling, we have known cases of that. So if you ever have the feeling that big financial transactions might be ethically questionable, you can…
if Boeing wasn't a major defense contractor -- then yeah. you could easily say suicide. but since they're in bed with 3 letter agencies.
it becomes a whole different game altogether. since there's a 3 letter agency that has nailed the assassination game to a T. whether on home soil or abroad.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#428I'm not saying one thing or another happened, I don't know. But surely we know enough about suicide to not use 'he seemed so happy and full of life' to support a murder argument. If it was an assassination, this is some Michael Clayton level stuff.
My dad once worked for a pet supply company, I don't remember his exact title but he reported to the owner. He was introduced to an individual that worked for the mob, only went by his first name, and was introduced as the guy who can take care of whatever is needed.
He heard later (obviously hearsay at that point) that Big Mike had indeed killed a guy that was causing problems for the owner. There's no way of knowing for sure obviously, but my dad's read on both Big Mike and the story was that it was absolutely true.
If a small pet supply company has connections to clean up a mess, as it were, I can only assume a company the size of Boeing could as well.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
On one side I agree with you, on the other, such statements are far from conclusive proof of anything. Let's make a small mental exercise: - you end up being a whistleblower against your company - every of your former friends hates you, your family isn't super supportive either for what you caused to the rest of the family (in reputation, attention, possibly financially) - you decide to end it - you leave such statem…
> every of your former friends hates you Ah yes, people hate it when people call out corruption that results in the planes they fly to kill people! >your family isn't super supportive either for what you caused to the rest of the family (in reputation, attention, possibly financially) Again, I agree their neighbors and friends must have been super pissed when he called out Boeing for building dangerous planes that ca…
> Ah yes, people hate it when people call out corruption that results in the planes they fly to kill people!
I obviously referred to former coworkers whose livelihood is on the table. Whether you believe it or not, whistleblowing isn't seen favorably from those that still work there. If it was, they would've been themselves.
> Nothing makes regular people more upset when you put integrity over the profits of some corporation!
If you're the wife/child and your own life is dragged by your father losing his job and being dragged in lawsuits, while you're the butt of the mouth of everyone you know may not be an enjoyable experience.
Anyway, mine was a mental exercise to show one of the possibilities, I guess this kind of thinking of different situations is not the strength of people that see the world in black and white.
Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death
#430I would think that if you were concerned about this sort of thing and proving it wasn't suicide, you would have some sort of measures in place - hidden video, hidden audio, trace powders, etc.