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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by foofie »

burnished wrote: post #391

Feels kind of gross to include the nieces observation that he had been stressed as some kind of counterpoint to the statement in the title.

> Feels kind of gross to include the nieces observation that he had been stressed as some kind of counterpoint to the statement in the title.

You're grossly misrepresenting what the nieces actually said.

The article is quite unequivocal: the quote in the article is literally "stressed and depressed".

Why did you opted to omit the reference to depression? Do you think direct statements from his family should be ignored but your personal baseless assertions should take center stage?

In addition to that, here's what his own brother had to say about the apparent suicide:

> “He was suffering from PTSD and anxiety attacks as a result of being subjected to the hostile work environment at Boeing, which we believe led to his death,” the brother said.

Why is this fact glanced over?

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by IncreasePosts »

User3456335 wrote: post #223
IncreasePosts wrote: post #217

These statements would only be meaningful if suicidal people couldn't say them. No one ever seems to invest in a security system, or a gun, when they make these statements. Why?

Bro, where do you get your food? Do you grow it in your house? Where do you get your water from? Hell, where do you get your air from? How do you think getting a security system fixes it?

A security system wouldn't necessarily stop Boeing assassins from breaking into your home, killing you, and making it look like a suicide, but it certainly would increase the chances that they were caught, or at least increase the chances that police would consider it a homicide instead of a suicide.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by jonplackett »

glenstein wrote: post #395

I feel like when there is financial malfeasance, we find enough cases of it in the wild to document that it has really happened. Whether it's Enron, or stories of lobbyists and politicians acting in self interest in ways that break the law, or even just municipal officials embezzling, we have known cases of that. So if you ever have the feeling that big financial transactions might be ethically questionable, you can…

Dr Kelly still v suspicious

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jul/16/david-kelly...

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by georgespencer »

TeaBrain wrote: post #354
georgespencer wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you believe Epstein was murdered you are in a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of very gullible or very simple minded people. Upon a cursory review of both the facts of the matter and the very best arguments conspiracists can copy and paste, it is self-evident that he killed himself.

I don't have a strong opinion on the matter, but it does not seem accurate to categorize this as a fringe theory. According to a Insider poll conducted in 2019, over 40% of respondents thought that he was killed and less than 20% were convinced that he committed suicide. I also think it is inaccurate to categorize the issue as having sharp clarity in either direction as you are doing.

> Insider poll

Sorry but lol at Insider being your source for robust polling of the American zeitgeist. In 2019 Certus put the figure of Americans believing he was murdered at 35%, with the remainder believing it to be suicide or "don't know".

"Don't know" is the critical thing here: there aren't too many more crazy conspiracists who could be shown the overwhelming evidence of suicide and conclude that it was murder.

And, of course, irrespective: literally any thinking person who can read the DOJ report will immediately conclude that it's suicide. It's just inarguable (hence the arguments in this thread being mainly "b-b-b-b-but shadowy cabal of powerful people!!!1" and not anything to do with, for example, Epstein already having attempted suicide once, or the camera footage showing nobody entering his block, etc.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by fireflies_ »

glenstein wrote: post #395

I feel like when there is financial malfeasance, we find enough cases of it in the wild to document that it has really happened. Whether it's Enron, or stories of lobbyists and politicians acting in self interest in ways that break the law, or even just municipal officials embezzling, we have known cases of that. So if you ever have the feeling that big financial transactions might be ethically questionable, you can…

This application of "base rates thinking" was helpful for me - a bit out of left field, I'm aware of the concept and use it sometimes but wouldn't have thought to do so here. Thanks!

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by rowlandrose »

throwaway1492 wrote: post #409

Whenever people say about someone “they would never kill themselves” it reminds me of a deeply disturbing depression episode I had, thankfully only once, that lasted about 8 hours. It was the blackest morass of misery, I couldn’t bear to be in my own skin. After experiencing that I came to understand how people can do it, and the sudden onset also made me understand how inexplicable it can be.

Was there any identifiable trigger, like a highly stressful situation or something you ingested? I am curious due to depression in my family.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by theultdev »

JackFr wrote: post #407
burnished wrote: post #391

Feels kind of gross to include the nieces observation that he had been stressed as some kind of counterpoint to the statement in the title.

Why? A completely unvetted “family friend” who won’t even give a last name provides a salacious quote that’s completely unverifiable. A niece, known to be related and with a name and address offers a counterpoint. It’s ok to be skeptical. Things like: What did the note say? Where did the gun come from? Is there any CCTV video from the hotel and garage? still need to be investigated by the police. It is possible that…

I wonder why they wouldn't give a last name... Half the "news" articles nowadays are "sources familiar with the matter".

Now that Boeing is in the hot seat we want to identify journalist sources?

And I don't think there's a rule that we can only talk about things that have been fully investigated.

It's on ongoing current event and a development in it. It can be talked about if people want to talk about it and can do it civilly.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by tim333 »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #342
treprinum wrote: post #122

It's pretty brutal if nobody cares about the optics of this anymore, just kill off whoever is inconvenient. I guess after Epstein's "two cameras malfunction" nobody cares about any public backlash and there is "normal day in Russia" to be inspired from...

It is appalling that as many details as possible are immediately leaked (or were they outright released by the police) about it being a suicide: gunshot to head in a remote location, "there is a note", "family said he had PTSD and was under stress". A major whistleblower dies in any non-natural manner should be a major investigation by the highest levels of the FBI, not immediately handled and released by the podunk…

There's something to be said for openness. I'd prefer that to a year or two of no information.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by tim333 »

card_zero wrote: post #73
lostlogin wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> jumping out a window Or a poisoning with a ludicrously rare poison, a strange car crash, a plane falling out the sky, dying at a gulag when you were fine a few days earlier etc etc. It’s a very unsafe place when you don’t toe the line.

Technically I don't think Navalny was fine a few days earlier, I understood that he had ongoing poor health due to, uh, being previously poisoned.

Here's video of him the day before looking not exactly on deaths door https://youtu.be/pUwOYeei5MU
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