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Re: Lyft, Uber to leave Minneapolis after city council forces higher driver pay

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Post by garciasn »

paxys wrote: post #10

> The measure requires ride-hailing companies to pay drivers at least $1.40 per mile and $0.51 per minute for the time spent transporting a rider — or $5 per ride, whichever is greater — excluding tips. Whether the rates are reasonable or not, the obvious move would be for Uber/Lyft to comply and pass the costs on to the riders, just like taxi companies have been doing forever. By instead pulling out entirely they ar…

> your voter base will revolt

I'm not sure that Minneapolis is the best place to put this in place. Folks in Minneapolis are wholly liberal and support living wages. If anything, this is just going to look bad for Uber/Lyft.

I don't live in Mpls proper, although I do reside in Hennepin County, and I primarily don't use Uber or Lyft so I don't really have skin in the game either way, but I just don't see this as being a great location for these two fairly shitty companies to attempt this.

Re: Lyft, Uber to leave Minneapolis after city council forces higher driver pay

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Post by everforward »

gruez wrote: post #6
tristan957 wrote: post #3

What is the point of laws like this? They are way too specific. Instead the Minneapolis City Council should come out with legislation prohibiting the re-definition of what a contractor is. Uber and Lyft claim that their drivers are contractors, but then also don't allow their drivers to set rates themselves. It's an absolute tragedy that governments just let companies get away with "disruption" when its really just f…

>Uber and Lyft claim that their drivers are contractors, but then also don't allow their drivers to set rates themselves. Your own linked document says nothing about contractors being required to set their own rate. Other IRS documents[1] also does not mention being able to set your own rate as a factor. [1] https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employe... >The IRS is clear on what the definition[0] of…

> Your own linked document says nothing about contractors being required to set their own rate. Other IRS documents[1] also does not mention being able to set your own rate as a factor.

Probably because everyone sets their own rates by agreeing to work; it's not a real differentiator. What does them setting their own rates mean here? They're contracted by Uber, so the "rate" here is what Uber pays them, not what the customer pays Uber.

They're already more than free to demand that Uber pay them more and quit if they don't, same as any other contractor under the sun.

The only time someone isn't setting their own rates is slave labor, which is already incredibly illegal.

Re: Lyft, Uber to leave Minneapolis after city council forces higher driver pay

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Post by listless »

garciasn wrote: post #11
paxys wrote: post #10

> The measure requires ride-hailing companies to pay drivers at least $1.40 per mile and $0.51 per minute for the time spent transporting a rider — or $5 per ride, whichever is greater — excluding tips. Whether the rates are reasonable or not, the obvious move would be for Uber/Lyft to comply and pass the costs on to the riders, just like taxi companies have been doing forever. By instead pulling out entirely they ar…

> your voter base will revolt I'm not sure that Minneapolis is the best place to put this in place. Folks in Minneapolis are wholly liberal and support living wages. If anything, this is just going to look bad for Uber/Lyft. I don't live in Mpls proper, although I do reside in Hennepin County, and I primarily don't use Uber or Lyft so I don't really have skin in the game either way, but I just don't see this as being…

Even the most idealistic can change their tune as soon as they begin to be negatively affected. A good example might be Oregon completely walking back their drug legalization or San Francisco drug testing for welfare.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/oregons-drug-decriminalization-law...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/06/drug-test-we...

Re: Lyft, Uber to leave Minneapolis after city council forces higher driver pay

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Post by aggcefbhtd »

listless wrote: post #13
garciasn wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> your voter base will revolt I'm not sure that Minneapolis is the best place to put this in place. Folks in Minneapolis are wholly liberal and support living wages. If anything, this is just going to look bad for Uber/Lyft. I don't live in Mpls proper, although I do reside in Hennepin County, and I primarily don't use Uber or Lyft so I don't really have skin in the game either way, but I just don't see this as being…

Even the most idealistic can change their tune as soon as they begin to be negatively affected. A good example might be Oregon completely walking back their drug legalization or San Francisco drug testing for welfare. https://abcnews.go.com/US/oregons-drug-decriminalization-law... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/06/drug-test-we...

You aren’t wrong in general, but as another MPLS local I will say that driving culture remains strong here, so picking a fight with Uber/Lyft isn’t going to hurt the average person here as much as it might elsewhere. It remains rare to not have a car here.

Re: Lyft, Uber to leave Minneapolis after city council forces higher driver pay

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Post by hellojesus »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #15

Good riddance. The whole zirp decade saw these random companies like airbnb, Uber show drastic disregard of the law and subsidizing users with VC money but all that couldn't last because they aren't real businesses.

What is your concern? It's the VCs that are losing money by subsidizing non profitable companies. Why should the government step in to disallow these companies?

Don't drivers know how much they'll be paid ahead of ride acceptance?

Re: Lyft, Uber to leave Minneapolis after city council forces higher driver pay

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

hellojesus wrote: post #16
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #15

Good riddance. The whole zirp decade saw these random companies like airbnb, Uber show drastic disregard of the law and subsidizing users with VC money but all that couldn't last because they aren't real businesses.

What is your concern? It's the VCs that are losing money by subsidizing non profitable companies. Why should the government step in to disallow these companies? Don't drivers know how much they'll be paid ahead of ride acceptance?

Hidden cameras. Bad drivers. Bodily fluids on beds. I can go on and on.

Re: Lyft, Uber to leave Minneapolis after city council forces higher driver pay

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Post by comte7092 »

listless wrote: post #13
garciasn wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> your voter base will revolt I'm not sure that Minneapolis is the best place to put this in place. Folks in Minneapolis are wholly liberal and support living wages. If anything, this is just going to look bad for Uber/Lyft. I don't live in Mpls proper, although I do reside in Hennepin County, and I primarily don't use Uber or Lyft so I don't really have skin in the game either way, but I just don't see this as being…

Even the most idealistic can change their tune as soon as they begin to be negatively affected. A good example might be Oregon completely walking back their drug legalization or San Francisco drug testing for welfare. https://abcnews.go.com/US/oregons-drug-decriminalization-law... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/06/drug-test-we...

>A good example might be Oregon completely walking back their drug legalization

Links to an article about how Oregon is partially rolling back their drug decriminalization policy.

1. Oregon never decriminalized drugs and 2. The policy was supposed to implement treatment programs that never materialized.

Further as an Oregonian. No one voted for people to be able to openly use drugs wherever they wanted, but most didn’t realize that once possession was decriminalized, smoking fentanyl on public transit was suddenly not in violation of any law on the books. No one voted for that, they just didn’t know it was on the table.

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