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Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by junon »

carlmr wrote: post #6
larodi wrote: post #4

According to many people, including record shop owners I’ve talked to, Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. Rich people nowadays buy property in Potsdam, and the scene is moving towards Leipzig. In a more general sense the old rave cities are making way, and have been making way, to other cities. A movement spanning more than 20 years now, thank…

>Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. It's funny how the (somewhat leftist) techno scene hates on foreigners destroying their tradition. Berlin and Bavaria aren't so far apart after all.

I'm a foreigner, nobody cares about that. People coming in and recording their adventures, sitting in the corner texting, wearing fur boots or eye paint, etc are the ones that aren't so much appreciated. Nobody's ever had a problem with my shitty German as long as I've been partaking in the atmosphere as intended.

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by helboi4 »

throwaway11460 wrote: post #15
cookiemonsieur wrote: post #11

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Which is immensely ironic considering that modern house and techno is an invention of African Americans in Chicago. We've truly come full circle. The same thing is being done to hiphop in a similar way.

This is a different branch of music that doesn't have much in common with Chicago style house/techno. It's similar so people lump it together, but it evolved separately from synthpop, eurodance and electronic music that Kraftwerk did in 70s. The modern commercial EDM/techno is pretty different from what you're going to hear at a Berlin/Prague underground techno club, and has almost nothing in common with freetekno as…

I beg to differ. Plenty of Berlin techno is a descendant of Detroit techno. The fact that you only mentioned Chicago already shows a lack of understanding. Kraftwerk and the others you mentioned influenced Detroit techno pioneers, Detroit techno pioneers influenced Berlin techno pioneers. It's a transatlantic sound.

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Post by vidarh »

L_226 wrote: post #23
sabellito wrote: post #8

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Heard exactly that, including the Leipzig part, every year for the 5 years I lived there 10 years ago. Berlin is the biggest city in continental Europe, there's a lot of everything and there'll always be hidden little nooks.

Bigger than Paris? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_Eur...

Those are urban areas. If you instead count by city limits, Berlin is bigger by a large margin [1]. This is the perpetual problem with defining "biggest" - to some the urban area of Paris might still be "Paris" but the vast majority of it is outside the city limits.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_European...

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by helboi4 »

throwaway2562 wrote: post #30
cookiemonsieur wrote: post #11

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Which is immensely ironic considering that modern house and techno is an invention of African Americans in Chicago. We've truly come full circle. The same thing is being done to hiphop in a similar way.

Nonsense. Jeff Mills was a Skinny Puppy fan, and you can hear it. All the Belleville Three were heavily influenced by Kraftwerk and euro-electro, and you can hear that too. All of them namecheck a much richer and diverse set of influences than Chicago house, itself a refinement of disco, a far from strictly racially-defined movement. The UK was the first to wake up to US techno, long before the US did, if you actuall…

Yep, exactly. It was German etc sounds being appreciated by African Americans in Detroit, being mixed with their influences in Chicago, and then travelling back across the Atlantic. Its a transatlantic international group effort and to deny either side of it misses the whole point.

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by helboi4 »

te_chris wrote: post #38

This is great, though it's hard to ignore that there's a bit of techno-industrial-complex going on there. Still, there's a proper industry for electronic music, nice people, good clubs, good music, good record stores and that sense of freedom that comes with long opening hours - not just in the clubs. One of my favourite things about Berlin is just sitting in a bar with friends till you're done for the night, no pres…

Bars in Berlin are so much more relaxing and enjoyable than in many other places fr

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Post by vidarh »

thiago_fm wrote: post #48
tpm wrote: post #32

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At least Paris, Moscow, Sankt Petersburg and Istanbul are significantly bigger; some other cities are bigger too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_in_...

A metropolitan area isn't a city. She/he said city. Why are people in HN so pedantic and typically wrong about things?

At least Moscow is bigger in terms of within it's city limits too, though, but then unless we want to be pedantic we get into what the person meant by "continental Europe". To what extent people colloquially refer to any part of Russia when talking about Europe varies greatly.

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Post by piva00 »

te_chris wrote: post #34
piva00 wrote: post #10

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They got much more expensive after the pandemic, in 2019 an expensive entrance was 18-20€, after it seems that some clubs are up to the 20-30€. I remember in 2015 paying 10-15€, even Berghain would be around 15-18€ and that was expensive already. The techno scene is still pretty good music-wise if you check the line-up and avoid the new fad of celebrity DJs from the past 8-10ish years. I'm very fond of my early techn…

Berghain's door policy mostly still works: keeps the American tourists out and the club good times. It's starting to feel a bit dated in general, like the moment's moving past it, but it's always a good time.

I agree, as ruthless as the door policy is every single time I've been there I had a good time, the crowd inside knew what they were there for and what the scene is about.

To me personally since the big room/celebrity techno DJs took more space in the scene it has become much harder to find dancefloors like Berghain. I'm still sad for De School closing in Amsterdam, it was a very different place than Berghain but the crowd and dancefloors were very enjoyable.

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by ehnto »

omnimus wrote: post #45
larodi wrote: post #4

According to many people, including record shop owners I’ve talked to, Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. Rich people nowadays buy property in Potsdam, and the scene is moving towards Leipzig. In a more general sense the old rave cities are making way, and have been making way, to other cities. A movement spanning more than 20 years now, thank…

Nothing even compares to Berlin. Prague has basically 2 clubs and they are working partly because it's cheap and only 4hour train from Berlin so it's fun destination for both Berliners and Berlin DJS. Athens is where lots of the techno scene (djs, producers) has been moving to but that's because property is cheap so they can run away from Berlin winter. It also has like 2 clubs. In Berlin there are so many venues it'…

Is this specifically techno/underground clubs you mean? My pokey city in Aus has like a dozen "EDM" clubs that spin a decent breadth of techno to house to dnb etc. Perhaps I should count myself lucky?

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Post by tpm »

thiago_fm wrote: post #48
tpm wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least Paris, Moscow, Sankt Petersburg and Istanbul are significantly bigger; some other cities are bigger too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_in_...

A metropolitan area isn't a city. She/he said city. Why are people in HN so pedantic and typically wrong about things?

The original poster is obviously wrong.

Also comparing city populations within city limits is exactly being too pedantic, because Paris is one example where the administrative city is much smaller than the real city.

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Post by picadores »

jamil7 wrote: post #53
larodi wrote: post #4

According to many people, including record shop owners I’ve talked to, Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. Rich people nowadays buy property in Potsdam, and the scene is moving towards Leipzig. In a more general sense the old rave cities are making way, and have been making way, to other cities. A movement spanning more than 20 years now, thank…

There's still quite a lot of illegal/semi-legal free party scene type stuff going on, especially in summer. A lot of the scene has been pushed outside of the ring, though. Leipzig is lovely but tiny in comparision, you won't find even remotely as many clubs and parties.

Eh, because they do not want people there, who listen to promotions and whatever the socialsewersystems carries as hip to them.

Where there is affordable housing, there be musicians doing brave new things instead of worrying about rent and rapping rants about gentrification.

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