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Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by Mashimo »

cookiemonsieur wrote: post #22
piva00 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to be a bit pedantic: techno didn't come from Chicago but from Detroit :)

My bad. But the point stands. Complaining about a cultural movement that they have almost entirely gentrified is massively ironic.

I think the scene is complaining about tourists and "foreigners" was a bad choice of word in this thread. People are flocking to big names and entry prices are as high as they have ever been. It's less about the actual music.

And in that complaint I don't see any irony.

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Post by easyThrowaway »

carlmr wrote: post #6
larodi wrote: post #4

According to many people, including record shop owners I’ve talked to, Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. Rich people nowadays buy property in Potsdam, and the scene is moving towards Leipzig. In a more general sense the old rave cities are making way, and have been making way, to other cities. A movement spanning more than 20 years now, thank…

>Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. It's funny how the (somewhat leftist) techno scene hates on foreigners destroying their tradition. Berlin and Bavaria aren't so far apart after all.

Dunno. Sven & friends at Berghain never looked particularly lefty. Tbh They always gave me a a strong...erhh... "Aryan" vibe if you know what I mean.

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by have_faith »

cookiemonsieur wrote: post #22
piva00 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to be a bit pedantic: techno didn't come from Chicago but from Detroit :)

My bad. But the point stands. Complaining about a cultural movement that they have almost entirely gentrified is massively ironic.

Do you have a lot of knowledge about how the techno scene in Berlin evolved and came to be?

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by WitCanStain »

world2vec wrote: post #2

Going on a cultural trip to Berlin this next May, with some of my best friends. What are your most favourite underrated techno clubs in Berlin? I've been to the big ones already, keen to explore the fringe places.

It's not everyone's cup of tea but Kit Kat is an experience you won't find in many other places.

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by omnimus »

larodi wrote: post #4

According to many people, including record shop owners I’ve talked to, Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. Rich people nowadays buy property in Potsdam, and the scene is moving towards Leipzig. In a more general sense the old rave cities are making way, and have been making way, to other cities. A movement spanning more than 20 years now, thank…

Nothing even compares to Berlin. Prague has basically 2 clubs and they are working partly because it's cheap and only 4hour train from Berlin so it's fun destination for both Berliners and Berlin DJS. Athens is where lots of the techno scene (djs, producers) has been moving to but that's because property is cheap so they can run away from Berlin winter. It also has like 2 clubs. In Berlin there are so many venues it's hard to remember them.

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Post by padjo »

larodi wrote: post #4

According to many people, including record shop owners I’ve talked to, Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. Rich people nowadays buy property in Potsdam, and the scene is moving towards Leipzig. In a more general sense the old rave cities are making way, and have been making way, to other cities. A movement spanning more than 20 years now, thank…

At the point where UNESCO are recognizing it it’s probably fair to say it’s not underground at all anymore

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by thiago_fm »

L_226 wrote: post #23
sabellito wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heard exactly that, including the Leipzig part, every year for the 5 years I lived there 10 years ago. Berlin is the biggest city in continental Europe, there's a lot of everything and there'll always be hidden little nooks.

Bigger than Paris? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_Eur...

It is bigger than Paris if you don't count the surrounding area around Paris, which isn't Paris. This article isn't correct as it is taking into account the surrounding area.

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by thiago_fm »

tpm wrote: post #32
sabellito wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heard exactly that, including the Leipzig part, every year for the 5 years I lived there 10 years ago. Berlin is the biggest city in continental Europe, there's a lot of everything and there'll always be hidden little nooks.

At least Paris, Moscow, Sankt Petersburg and Istanbul are significantly bigger; some other cities are bigger too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_in_...

A metropolitan area isn't a city. She/he said city. Why are people in HN so pedantic and typically wrong about things?

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by throwaway55671 »

Tenoke wrote: post #28
larodi wrote: post #4

According to many people, including record shop owners I’ve talked to, Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. Rich people nowadays buy property in Potsdam, and the scene is moving towards Leipzig. In a more general sense the old rave cities are making way, and have been making way, to other cities. A movement spanning more than 20 years now, thank…

>towards Leipzig. This has been a meme forever, and while Leipzig has its own decent scene for its size, it is not remotely close to rivaling Berlin. Pick a decent sample of either established or up and coming DJs and compare how often they play in Berlin vs there to disuade yourself of that notion. >and even Sofia. Yeah, no. Just because a city has some parties here and there, it doesn't mean it should even be in th…

> established or up and coming DJs

Well there's the problem. What you should compare is how many unknown new guys just making good music for fun in small unknown clubs visited by locals are there.

In my city I can go to a random non-descript bar with zero marketing or entrance fee, sit down peacefully with a drink, and hear world class techno together with few dozen strangers. Every evening. Doesn't feel that way in Berlin anymore, even if I pay it's all that global commercial style that the established DJs with promoter/management teams seem to fall into and the places are totally overcrowded.

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