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Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by cookiemonsieur »

carlmr wrote: post #6
larodi wrote: post #4

According to many people, including record shop owners I’ve talked to, Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. Rich people nowadays buy property in Potsdam, and the scene is moving towards Leipzig. In a more general sense the old rave cities are making way, and have been making way, to other cities. A movement spanning more than 20 years now, thank…

>Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. It's funny how the (somewhat leftist) techno scene hates on foreigners destroying their tradition. Berlin and Bavaria aren't so far apart after all.

Which is immensely ironic considering that modern house and techno is an invention of African Americans in Chicago. We've truly come full circle.

The same thing is being done to hiphop in a similar way.

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

carlmr wrote: post #6
larodi wrote: post #4

According to many people, including record shop owners I’ve talked to, Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. Rich people nowadays buy property in Potsdam, and the scene is moving towards Leipzig. In a more general sense the old rave cities are making way, and have been making way, to other cities. A movement spanning more than 20 years now, thank…

>Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. It's funny how the (somewhat leftist) techno scene hates on foreigners destroying their tradition. Berlin and Bavaria aren't so far apart after all.

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Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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larodi wrote: post #4

According to many people, including record shop owners I’ve talked to, Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. Rich people nowadays buy property in Potsdam, and the scene is moving towards Leipzig. In a more general sense the old rave cities are making way, and have been making way, to other cities. A movement spanning more than 20 years now, thank…

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Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by mat0 »

larodi wrote: post #4

According to many people, including record shop owners I’ve talked to, Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. Rich people nowadays buy property in Potsdam, and the scene is moving towards Leipzig. In a more general sense the old rave cities are making way, and have been making way, to other cities. A movement spanning more than 20 years now, thank…

Well I can tell you in my totally anecdotal view that the underground scene here is alive and well, you just need to look a bit harder for it ;) It’s true that mainstream media like Instagram and TikTok are bringing the worst of the scene and it’s true that there are now a lot of kids that think that the techno scene is to dress in fetish clothes and film yourself dancing waiting for “the drop”. But this is just capitalism and globalization doing its thing. Trends come and go. You can still go to awesome parties here in Berlin that won’t be filmed and uploaded to Facebook, and it’s also true that people complain a lot about the scene going mainstream but in reality if you want money from it, there’s so many mouths that the underground scene can feed. I think a bigger problem for the club culture is the festival scene, but that’s a whole different discussion. There are cool initiatives coming from this such as ASlice so I don’t think it’s as bad as some old schoolers are claiming

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by throwaway11460 »

cookiemonsieur wrote: post #11
carlmr wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. It's funny how the (somewhat leftist) techno scene hates on foreigners destroying their tradition. Berlin and Bavaria aren't so far apart after all.

Which is immensely ironic considering that modern house and techno is an invention of African Americans in Chicago. We've truly come full circle. The same thing is being done to hiphop in a similar way.

This is a different branch of music that doesn't have much in common with Chicago style house/techno. It's similar so people lump it together, but it evolved separately from synthpop, eurodance and electronic music that Kraftwerk did in 70s. The modern commercial EDM/techno is pretty different from what you're going to hear at a Berlin/Prague underground techno club, and has almost nothing in common with freetekno as heard in the forests.

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by piva00 »

larodi wrote: post #4

According to many people, including record shop owners I’ve talked to, Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. Rich people nowadays buy property in Potsdam, and the scene is moving towards Leipzig. In a more general sense the old rave cities are making way, and have been making way, to other cities. A movement spanning more than 20 years now, thank…

Leipzig seems to be the new underground place in Germany from what I've heard and experienced.

I believe this is the usual cycle of cities going through: arts scene existing because it's a cheap place to live, artists congregate in places they can afford, create a cool scene, the cool scene brings some bars/cafés and slowly it erodes to gentrification since these places are cool and attract other crowds into it (higher income, and/or tourists), eventually it makes the place expensive and artists have to find a new place where it's cheaper to live, and create their spaces.

Very similar to the geeks, MOPs, and sociopaths essay on subcultures. [0]

[0] https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

cookiemonsieur wrote: post #11
carlmr wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. It's funny how the (somewhat leftist) techno scene hates on foreigners destroying their tradition. Berlin and Bavaria aren't so far apart after all.

Which is immensely ironic considering that modern house and techno is an invention of African Americans in Chicago. We've truly come full circle. The same thing is being done to hiphop in a similar way.

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Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by 45577834ff »

cookiemonsieur wrote: post #11
carlmr wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. It's funny how the (somewhat leftist) techno scene hates on foreigners destroying their tradition. Berlin and Bavaria aren't so far apart after all.

Which is immensely ironic considering that modern house and techno is an invention of African Americans in Chicago. We've truly come full circle. The same thing is being done to hiphop in a similar way.

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Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by jen729w »

Any Australians here who were there for Melbourne’s ‘dirty electro’ scene through the 00s-10s?

I feel very privileged to have lived my 30s through that time. Public Office in West Melbourne. The Lounge! Oh my god the Lounge on Swanston. E55 at the bottom end of Elizabeth. And let’s never forget Revolver, not that it needs forgetting as it’s still going.

Everyone in that scene was there for the music. We all danced, we all enjoyed each other, we went home together, we bonded over ciggies on the balcony, we stayed up all night, we shared everything. It was epic.

I’m 47 now. I have no mid-life crisis, and I put it down to living in Melbourne through my 30s. A spectacular little bubble in human history. x

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