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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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gruez wrote: post #78
tsimionescu wrote: post #40

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The article we're commenting on, where a friend attests he was told explicitly that any "suicide" is fowl play. Sure, it's nowhere near "beyond a reasonable doubt", but it's plenty, together with the obvious motive, to form an opinion.

> The article we're commenting on, where a friend attests he was told explicitly that any "suicide" is fowl play. Isn't there obvious reporting bias here? People typically don't go around saying "btw I'm going to kill myself, if that happens assume it's not foul play", so it shouldn't be too surprising that people kill themselves even though they said they wouldn't. Moreover people who actually tell people they're go…

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by fragmede »

gruez wrote: post #140
4ggr0 wrote: post #101

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John McAfee? EDIT: Not saying that I believe it or care, but even wiki mentions it. Thought it would fit the other mentions... > McAfee's death ignited speculation and conspiracy theories about the possibility that he was murdered. Such speculation was particularly fueled by a 2019 post McAfee made on Twitter that read, in part, “If I suicide myself, I didn't. I was whackd [sic].”[133] > Several times, McAfee claimed…

In this case there's at least the motive for Boeing to kill him. But in McAfee's case what's the motive for killing him? It seems like the only one going after him was the US (for tax evasion charges). He was already going to be extradited. Why kill him at that point?

We don't know. But I can imagine that when the rich American that comes into your country and has very young girls as his girlfriends ends up in jail, and you're a local and get very involved with that situation, that there's going to be a lot of drama. maybe one of those girls was your lover or is your sister. and then there's drug business happening. the guy ends up in jail, which means he gets to go home to America and never face consequences for what he did to your family? It's not hard to imagine why he was murdered. we'll never know the true story but whatever it is, I'm sure it's a good one.

He wasn't killed over not paying his us tax bill.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by orwin »

littlestymaar wrote: post #151
orwin wrote: post #119

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DGSE (French secret service) really like to drown people, so avoid cities with canals and/or river if you feel you can be a target :)

Interesting, I had never heard of that before. Do you have references that I could read on the topic?

It's tongue in cheek, we kill in many different ways.

Drowning related however, the most known is this one (even got a wiki page, so it's really well known!) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boulin

But Choukri Ghanem also managed to drown himself in Vienna.

A related death was Albichari, a 37 yo dying of diabetes, and 6 years later, Bechir Saleh assassination attempt by a commando (with his bodyguard crew saving him), so the DGSE clearly have multiple ways of doing business.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by defrost »

logicchains wrote: post #202
hnfong wrote: post #133

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What public backlash? It seems people here are content to call those who suspect Epstein suicide "very gullible"... It's interesting how the English language labels people "conspiracy theorists", like how the totally batshit crazy ones gets lumped together with those that actually seem to be suspect.

It's not the "English language", the term "conspiracy theorist" was literally invented by the CIA to smear people who alleged the CIA was conspiring against the public.

That's a conspiracy theory:

   The term "conspiracy theory" is itself the subject of a conspiracy theory, which posits that the term was popularized by the CIA in order to discredit conspiratorial believers, particularly critics of the Warren Commission, by making them a target of ridicule.
[..]

    The idea that the CIA was responsible for popularising the term "conspiracy theory" was analyzed by Michael Butter, a Professor of American Literary and Cultural History at the University of Tübingen.
.. and that analysis concluded "yeah, nuh".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Origin_and_u...

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by vintermann »

sfn42 wrote: post #126
vasco wrote: post #98

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You put the gun in their hands after you shoot them, as in every movie ever.

Firing a gun leaves residue on your hands etc. They can tell whether you fired it

Sure, they can tell, if they look.

But people with well-developed career instincts might not want to look. I think you overestimate how much the regular policeman, coroner etc. cares about truth for its own sake. Do you really want to pick a fight with Boeing?

It's very easy to play Nelson and turn the blind eye. Making up a coherent narrative in a lie is hard. But the lie "I didn't notice anything suspect" is very safe.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by fragmede »

littlestymaar wrote: post #157
DonHopkins wrote: post #110

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Not random. In Russia, they blame it on an open window in a tall building. In America they blame it on a black guy with a gun. Man in Sioux Falls, South Dakota shoots himself in penis and tries to blame black guy: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/man-shoots... ‘We failed the city of Boston’: how a racist manhunt led to chaos in 1989: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/dec/07/we-fail... Bla…

While racism is indeed a very acute issue in the US, I don't see what it has to do with anything in this thread…

saying "a black man did it" is being used in America as the same sort of explanation for a death as "fell out of an apartment window"in Russia. its racist as hell, but it's a plausible cover story over what really happened.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by ChooseClawBroad »

dylan604 wrote: post #165

Might be a good idea to make these kinds of statements in a more public manner on the socials. @ing the company your commenting against as well as any local police, FBI, or other pertinent TLAs. Let the opposition know they are no longer operating in the shadows. Of course the TLAs won't actively do anything about it proactively, but maybe it'll give more credence than the grieving friend's say-so later??? Have it in…

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by selfmodruntime »

XorNot wrote: post #81
madaxe_again wrote: post #48

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Boeing is also deeply entwined with state/political entities with a strong vested interest in preserving the status quo who may not be squeamish about direct action. Against the general backdrop of Boeing’s woes, suiciding a whistleblower is low-hanging fruit. Who knows. Maybe he has a deadman’s set up.

Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world. The problem with this whole "he totally didn't kill himself" thing is...okay, so how did they kill him? Because you can't just put a gun in the hand of an unwilling person and force them to shoot themselves without leaving evidence.

> Contrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world

What? There certainly are killers for hire in existence.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by zer00eyz »

politelemon wrote: post #107
zer00eyz wrote: post #89

Yea... SO if you really feel this way you say this to every reporter you see. You write it down and give it to your lawyer. Your wife. Your kids. You put copies in the safety deposit box. You give notarized copies to every 3rd homeless person you meet. You don't just tell one friend.

This is a poor take. People don't find themselves in this situation normally and we should not be expecting them to have TV-murder-mystery style hypervigilance.

>> TV-murder-mystery style hypervigilance.

The tv-murder-mystery plot where Boeing killed him and he told ONE friend is much more likely?

Anxiety, PTSD, and a hand gun. This is a recipe for a suicide attempt that succeeds from a purely statistical point of view.

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