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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by max_ »

Reading the comments here is now making me even more skeptical about society.

It really looks like;

It is a waste of time to take risk yourself and expose unethical practices conducted by the powerful.

Because,

A) The masses don't really care (I expected riots and protest).

B) You may mysteriously die.

C) Your death instead of sparking an outrage will mostly be labeled a "conspiracy theory".

Given these three items, I can very confidently predict this in the future.

0. We shall have less exposés.

1. Corporations and other powerful entities will engage in more unethical behaviour.

Due to majority of worker being spinless and complicit to corner cutting and other unethical practices.

2. Powerful entities will know they can get away with evil if they leave enough blanks in the engagement.

Since the masses will label these as conspiracy theories. And they will be stuck in these academic "plausible deniability" kind of foggy minds.

With this, I expect powerful entities to get away with more evil deeds.

In a crowd of a hundred, 50 percent of the wealth, 90 percent of the imagination, and 100 percent of the intellectual courage will reside in a single person—not necessarily the same one.

— Bed of Procrustes

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by gruez »

hnfong wrote: post #111
gruez wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The article we're commenting on, where a friend attests he was told explicitly that any "suicide" is fowl play. Isn't there obvious reporting bias here? People typically don't go around saying "btw I'm going to kill myself, if that happens assume it's not foul play", so it shouldn't be too surprising that people kill themselves even though they said they wouldn't. Moreover people who actually tell people they're go…

If you dismiss all the evidence "supporting this theory" (your words) then obviously you wouldn't find anything that supports it. Evidence does not have to be perfect. Even biased evidence should update your priors. There is evidence supporting this theory. It doesn't mean it is definitely true.

> If you dismiss all the evidence "supporting this theory" (your words) then obviously you wouldn't find anything that supports it.

Right, and the converse is you accepting any evidence that vaguely conforms to the narrative of "he got killed by boeing", regardless of how shaky it is.

>Evidence does not have to be perfect. Even biased evidence should update your priors. There is evidence supporting this theory. It doesn't mean it is definitely true.

This feels like a motte and bailey. You claim that we should update our priors even based on biased evidence, but I never claimed otherwise. My previous comment merely pointed out the issues with taking statements like "if anything happens don't assume it's a suicide" at face value. Moreover the comment I was replying to wasn't merely claiming that we should update our priors, it was that the evidence in question was "plenty, together with the obvious motive, to form an opinion". That's a much stronger claim.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

#133

Post by hnfong »

treprinum wrote: post #122

It's pretty brutal if nobody cares about the optics of this anymore, just kill off whoever is inconvenient. I guess after Epstein's "two cameras malfunction" nobody cares about any public backlash and there is "normal day in Russia" to be inspired from...

What public backlash? It seems people here are content to call those who suspect Epstein suicide "very gullible"...

It's interesting how the English language labels people "conspiracy theorists", like how the totally batshit crazy ones gets lumped together with those that actually seem to be suspect.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by ImHereToVote »

ZoomerCretin wrote: post #39
ixaxaar wrote: post #12

Oh so in Russia its jumping out a window and in the USA its some random method of suicide? Why not be specific, and consistent, like Russia?

We don't know that this was the result of a state actor. It could also have been someone who bought a ton of Boeing calls before the safety scandals.

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by b-side »

aydyn wrote: post #80

Every single person in the previous thread who ridiculed others for saying that suicide was _not_ the most likely explanation needs a serious re-evaluation of their priors.

I don't think people are misaligned on the P(suicide) it is just due to the recent behaviour of Boing that P(murder|Boing) is elevated.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by Kluggy »

vnchr wrote: post #24
jraby3 wrote: post #5

Wouldn’t the time to have killed him be before he testified?

He was killed between pre-trial deposition interviews pertaining to a trial that is still upcoming.[1] One might speculate he was killed immediately after it was confirmed in a deposition that he had knowledge damaging to Boeing, and he intended to testify in that upcoming trial. [1] https://au.news.yahoo.com/boeing-whistleblower-john-barnett-...

I believe in certain cases, a judge may allow the deposition to be entered into evidence in the trial. The time to disappear someone is before their testimony is recorded.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by lukan »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #21
geek_at wrote: post #6

While I can't see "Boeing" (as a whole command structure) can be blamed for his death I do see the possibility of some corrupt person in a high position fearing what he had on him personally and ordered a strike against him.

I worked for an eBay Inc. company as an executive, never thought that could happen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay_stalking_scandal

Never heard of that before.

What stands out to me is, that the executive person ordering it, Steve Wymer, was not charged at all, despite making very plain statements:

"Wymer texted Baugh that Ina Steiner was a "biased troll who needs to be BURNED DOWN"; that he wanted "to see ashes"; and that Baugh should do "whatever it takes.""

I would imagine the same will happen here(if it was murder). Some pawns get executed, who "missunderstood their orders".

Mafia bosses seems to operate like this as well. They don't give plain orders to kill someone. But their underlings know what is expected of them, by a certain nod or comment.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by passion__desire »

ZoomerCretin wrote: post #28
jraby3 wrote: post #5

Wouldn’t the time to have killed him be before he testified?

If the goal is to scare others into silence, the timing is better when a suicide makes less sense.

I think Joe Rogan should have done a podcast with him just to hedge his bets and provide a publicity cover to John.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by pydry »

roenxi wrote: post #108
snickerer wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because in Russia it is an open message to the public 'don't mess with the KGB or we kill you and maybe your children'. Everybody knows and understands who is the sender and the message. Classic mafia move of intimidation. It is a message to the living. In the Western World the secret services kill to silence people, not to broadcast messages to the public. Quite the opposite PR strategy.

And when powerful people want to show off their power it tends to be less fatal and more drag-through-the-mud style tactics. Like what happened to Julian Assange. Killing him was an option on the table as far as I recall, but it wasn't what they ended up doing. Although that being said, I wouldn't rule this out as being organised by Boeing's management or a major shareholder or something. It is a company in the milit…

Assange talked about his dead man's switch previously. If it weren't for that the powers that be probably would have Putined him.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by gruez »

4ggr0 wrote: post #101
bmer wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One prominent one in recent memory is the Epstein "suicide". Aaron Swartz is another, although not so recent.

John McAfee? EDIT: Not saying that I believe it or care, but even wiki mentions it. Thought it would fit the other mentions... > McAfee's death ignited speculation and conspiracy theories about the possibility that he was murdered. Such speculation was particularly fueled by a 2019 post McAfee made on Twitter that read, in part, “If I suicide myself, I didn't. I was whackd [sic].”[133] > Several times, McAfee claimed…

In this case there's at least the motive for Boeing to kill him. But in McAfee's case what's the motive for killing him? It seems like the only one going after him was the US (for tax evasion charges). He was already going to be extradited. Why kill him at that point?
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