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FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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That explains why I got this email from my broadband provider this morning: >We've increased your internet speeds to show you our appreciation I was wondering what I'd done to deserve it!

I got the same message, also from Xfinity. It does sort of make me wonder: If the FCC declared broadband to be 100/50, would I have 50mbps upload speeds this morning? To me, this seems to be a clear positive outcome of the FCC's change: Xfinity had this capacity, the FCC raised their standards, and now all(?) Xfinity customers have increased upload speeds for zero additional cost. Seems like pretty much a best-case r…

I didn't get a message from Xfinity and a speed test showed no increase, but checking my plan on their website it said 300 mbps whereas it used to be 200 mbps. A modem reboot later and I'm getting 355 down/24 up on a speed test site, and 373 down/25 up on "what my ethernet card sees" test [1].

When the plan was 200 mbps I'd get around 240 down on speed tests. Xfinity has always been 10-20% faster for me than whatever the sticker on the plan says.

I'm not sure, unless they actually say it is, that this is in response to the FCC. In the almost 20 years I've had Xfinity I've had numerous speed bumps like this, much more often than the FCC bumps the speed in their definition. My plan went from 100 mbps to 200 mbps sometime in the last few months for example.

[1] Run netstat once a second to get the byte counts in and out per second, multiply by 8 to get bits.

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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I oppose this. 100mbps just isn't what most people need. To most readers, this probably sounds innocuous, but I have some involvement in my city's digital equity community, so I have some insight into what this translates to for local governments and community organizations. Now what will happen is someone at the county level in charge of digital infrastructure will look at at a map and say "oh no, 40% of our populat…

Strange logic IMO.

Internet service providers already receive money from the government through grants, loans, and other programs. Opposing increasing the pretty low requirements on ISPs who already receive this money just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Millions of people are getting an increase in their internet speed (including many in this thread!) at the flip of a switch. Seems like a pretty big win.

>Anecdotally, Comcast has a 50mbps plan in my neighborhood for $20/month. If I needed more than that, I would gladly pay for it... affordability isn't the issue

Nothing is stopping Comcast from still offering that plan to you. They just can't call it broadband or keep receiving money from the government. They now have to provide a slightly better service if they want to keep receiving those federal funds.

>There's also a huge amount of government money going into rural connectivity. It seems to me that StarLink is an ideal solution to this. Rather than running lots of cable to houses that are miles apart, give people subsidies to get StarLink. But if you make legislation that StarLink isn't "broadband", then the money needs to go to the incumbents, who will want billions of dollars in subsidies to lay expensive cables to service a small number of people. If I had to guess, some of those large players might have lobbied for this change, because they want some of that $18 billion pie that the FCC authorized for rural broadband expansion [1].

Sorry this just silly. We already run electricity to basically everywhere so hanging some extra fiber on the polls that already exist isn't really hard. Rural electric coops exist and have been rolling out fiber across their existing power network with great success! Starlink is not a serious solution to providing reliable, fast broadband to rural America. It doesn't have the capacity to meet the needs of rural America either. Put aside the long term future concerns of starlink (whose satellites are all in LEO and have to constantly be replaced) the price argument alone isn't great. The local electric coop that covers 9 rural counties near me offers a base plan of 100mbit up and down at $70 a month via fiber. Starlink is $120 a month for a speed that varies between 250mbit to less than 40mbit. Internet speed demands are only going to increase so we should keep in mind the ability to scale up; which is an area fiber wins at again. We already have the polls and electric coops ready to serve rural America. No need to gamble on a more risky and worse product like starlink.

Worrying about subsidies for "incumbents" while in the next sentence suggesting subsiding for Starlink/Elon is pretty funny!

>but I have some involvement in my city's digital equity community, so I have some insight into what this translates to for local governments and community organizations. Now what will happen is someone at the county level in charge of digital infrastructure will look at at a map and say "oh no, 40% of our population doesn't have broadband, and 20% don't even have access to broadband".

GOOD. They should be looking at it! If 40% of the county can't get a basic 100mbit/20mbit internet package then something should be done to address that. DOCSIS has been able to push multi gbit speeds over coax for a decade so I don't buy it Comcast or whoever in your county can't provide 100/20.

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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4 nines is reasonable, 5 nines a good target. ISPs have become utilities, especially since covid.

My electrical utility does not hit 4 nines, maybe not even 3. Water and sewer? Definitely.

If they have to do maintenance on a water main, you'll easily get an hour of downtime, likely followed by a boil water advisory.

They replaced several hydrants near me a couple years ago and there were disruptions on a couple of days.

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Yes - same from Xfinity

I didn't get the same... (same provider)

Try rebooting your modem. That got it for me (the increase, not the notice of an increase).

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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I like they raised the broadband minimum upload speed from 3 to 25Mbps. Spectrum's 300 Mbps broadband is only 10 Mbps up. Let's see how fast they change their statement that "an upload speed of 3 Mbps is enough for most households" [1]. [1: https://www.spectrum.com/resources/internet-wifi/what-is-a-g... ]

For coaxial cable, I assume they will still allocate the same 50Mbps upload between 200 houses, and then let you get a 25Mbps burst for a few seconds by taking it from others.

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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On coax/cable lines like Charter/Spectrum, the upload speed limit is due to protocol/DOCSIS limitations. Supposedly the new version of DOCSIS fixes this/allows for symmetrical service, and Spectrum has been rolling it out for a while now. Still waiting for it where I'm at...

I've seen this explanation, but it makes no sense ver year download upload 1.0 1997 40 Mbit/s 10 Mbit/s 1.1 2001 40 Mbit/s 10 Mbit/s 2.0 2002 40 Mbit/s 30 Mbit/s 3.0 2006 1 Gbit/s 200 Mbit/s 3.1 2013 10 Gbit/s 1–2 Gbit/s 4.0 2017 10 Gbit/s 6 Gbit/s the version previous to the "new version" uploads at 1-2gbit/s which is 40-80x the FCC value https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison

AFAIK they're on DOCSIS 3.0 and upgrading to DOCSIS 4

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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I like they raised the broadband minimum upload speed from 3 to 25Mbps. Spectrum's 300 Mbps broadband is only 10 Mbps up. Let's see how fast they change their statement that "an upload speed of 3 Mbps is enough for most households" [1]. [1: https://www.spectrum.com/resources/internet-wifi/what-is-a-g... ]

I get, realistically, like 30Mbps up with Spectrum with their 1Gb plan. At my last place they had a smaller competitor that did 1Gb up and down, so they changed existing 1Gb plans to the same. Now I live 8 minutes away from there and it's not an option! But competition is coming to my building soon so I can only hope.

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Yes - same from Xfinity

I didn't get the same... (same provider)

Xfinity bumped the lower tier plans earlier in the week or maybe last week. They obviously knew this was coming.
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