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I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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Super interesting. I can recognize this behavior with people playing multiplayer games. When there are no stakes, and everything is a game, people mess around – especially when they’re bored. If it’s just a game, who cares? People with extremely low “emotional reactivity” appear unlikely to share with others (why would they, most of us share stuff for empathy - and they may not see the point - or lose out socially).…

Reading this reminds me of someone I was friends with in high school who quickly turned out to be absolutely insufferable to play any sort of cooperative game with. They would take absolutely _everything_ that could be shared, and calmly and with complete conviction explain it was better off with them. They were blind to the bigger picture of quickly having nobody who would ever play with them. Magic the Gathering at…

Reminds me of something I learned about other cultures while playing DOTA 2 on ranked ladder.

For reference: This is a 5 vs 5 team game where each player character has a loosely defined role, such as "healer", "lead combat", or whatever. The most effective play style is for four of the players to support the strongest attacker-class player, to the point of self-sacrifice.

In Australia we would get random south-east asian players joining our servers, and generally we wouldn't even notice other than the alternative scripts in their usernames.

Philippinos we would always notice, because they're all acted like sociopaths. Even if they were mute, and had an English alias, we could pick them out reliably. They'd be selfish to a point of absurdity, taking in-game gold away from desperate team-mates even when they couldn't possibly spend the gold themselves. As in, even when they had all item slots full with the best possible item, so they were "maxed out", they would cut off their own support players to take gold at any cost.

I just couldn't wrap my head around why they were behaving this way. Also, why just that one country? Why not other countries in the area, like Singapore?

Someone from the Phillipenes explained online: They had experienced sudden population growth and now there's too many young people with basically no job prospects. It's a dog-eat-dog world in their country, with fierce competition in every aspect of life. E.g.: There's no "study groups" in school, because why would you help someone else pass their exams? That would just enable them to steal the job you're competing for! So these kids while away their time playing competitive games in internet cafes, and this "stepping on others to get to the top of the pile" element of their lives is made manifest in the crystal clear simulated environment of a game.

It made me think: Cooperation, social norms, collaboration, and all of the non-sociopath behaviours we're accustomed to aren't necessarily the norm, with only mentally-ill individuals deviating from it. Instead, it's possible for entire cultures to be sociopathic! Stress, poor job prospects, increased competition, etc... can push everyone towards these behaviours, all at once. In a situation like that, the natural sociopaths might prosper, and the "supports" might end up being horribly exploited or even starve to death.

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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On the flip side, the vast majority of people can't make up a username as cool as yours.

Sure they can. Mine is just variation of the traditional furry fandom [adjective][species] username. Plenty of furry writers have much cooler names than me. I'll leave figuring out which species as an exercise for the reader. Hint: highly-gregarious African canid with the same initials as All-Wheel Drive.

Ooooh.

Lycaon! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_wild_dog

For reference, I was pronouncing it "kay-oh-deli-kay-on", as one really cool word. :p

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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Personally? No. But if I was a kid who didn't understand that stuff? Totally. I mean come on, there are plenty of adults who think that that's a perfectly rational approach to getting what they want.

You wouldn't force a girl to date you because you know it's not rational. You wouldn't force kids to play with you because it's not rational either. Simple as that. Just because somebody thinks it is actually rational doesn't make it so. The kid wasn't rational at all, if anything his behavior was completely irrational

Yeah we wouldn't, because we have empathy and understand other people. If you can't conceive that people can even like each other at all then all their behavior just looks like some complex status game to you. There's nothing irrational then, with your limited understanding, about coercing a behaviour that you want, any more than it would be irrational to force an exchange in chess because the Knight didn't "want to" move.

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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By going about it on a very analytical and methodical and rational way. Rationality is about the mechanism, not some particular moral or value content. You might be asking "but if he was rational, couldn't he see that blackmailing is incompatible with friendship?". Well, if he wanted the trappings of friendship (having a friend group, playmates, hanging out and so on), and not some "genuine bonding", it's not that in…

> By going about it on a very analytical and methodical and rational way. If the kid was so calculating he would have to ask himself what exactly could he do to force other kids to hand out with him? And he would understand that he has no power of coercion. So he wasn't rational at all, it was just hopeless 'last ditch effort'

>And he would understand that he has no power of coercion.

You'd be surprised. Some get friends literally by being bullies. Others then want to be their friend to avoid being their target.

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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If nothing else, the comments here show me that we need a new word to describe people on the "sociopath spectrum" who intellectually decide to not be evil. There is a reason ASPD requires the anti-social element to be diagnosable, but it seems we lack a popular word to describe ASPD without the AS. Psychopathy and sociopathy have too much cultural baggage because everyone thinks of extreme cases like American Psycho,…

> we need a new word to describe people on the "sociopath spectrum" who intellectually decide to not be evil

Dexters?

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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Sure they can. Mine is just variation of the traditional furry fandom [adjective][species] username. Plenty of furry writers have much cooler names than me. I'll leave figuring out which species as an exercise for the reader. Hint: highly-gregarious African canid with the same initials as All-Wheel Drive.

Ooooh. Lycaon! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_wild_dog For reference, I was pronouncing it "kay-oh-deli-kay-on", as one really cool word. :p

Kayodé Lycaon

QUÉ-oh-deh LIE-kay-on :)

Kayodé is the approximate spelling from the syllables. I was playing around with sounds for a constructed language and ended up with combination I liked.

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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I definitely noticed something was wrong with me once I started school I hope you have gotten, or will get to, a place where you no longer think of this as something "wrong" with you!

I have. No need to worry about me. :)

That warms my heart! Awesome to hear!

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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I agree that people should be given the opportunity for their natural gifts being used effectively. I do NOT think "I'm a sociopath, sorry that doesn't bother me" is ever an acceptable resolution to the damage, pain and suffering they cause. If you help 100 but you have to destroy 5 to get there, was it worth it? I do not think people deserve the benefit of the doubt to make this ethical call. The problem with sociop…

sometimes (maybe even most of the time) socially manipulative behavior is destructive. but surely not all the time. for example, it might enable you to build a world leading ai company

> it might enable you to build a world leading ai company

Sure I had to ruin a few careers, but look at all the shareholder value I created.

There is a level of whitewashing, gaslighting or to put it very gently "less than truthful accounting" of what actual success takes in the whole "gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette" argument.

It's a choice, not a necessity and people need to stop acting like their hand was forced to make unnecessary or unpopular decisions. It's not illegal to be a shitty person, but you can't just Dj Khalid yourself out of backlash by proclaiming "that ain't me / no I didn't" and expecting the people around you to agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDkmelexPYM

Re: I always knew I was different, I didn't know I was a sociopath

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He's hurting all the other players who do not dope, and hurting the sport in general by creating an incentive for most people to dope, tarnishing the reputation.

He doped because extreme endurance events pretty much demand doping.

what does "pretty much demand" mean? You mean literally no human is capable of completing the event because they will drop to the ground of exhaustion? Of course not, you'll leave a vague comment that leaves you wiggle room instead of taking a precise position on the matter.
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