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FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by vel0city »

cogman10 wrote: post #49
wmf wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy to have a single outage over 9 hours if they wait 8 hours to send somebody out.

lol, well yes I guess :D. I guess I'm really just spoiled. In the last 10 years I think I've only really experienced like 1 or 2 outages caused by my current ISP and they were resolved within the hour. My assumption is that like most people, all the ISP equipment is buried so the only things that can really go wrong are either at the colo or the home (like a router that dies). Having a line cut is simply a hyper rare…

Having a line in the ground won't save you when there are wild backhoes in your biome.

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by FactolSarin »

tw04 wrote: post #55
hedora wrote: post #5

With how many 9's of availability, and at what latency? Frontier is advertising 3 nines average network-wide availability for their new fiber network. Three nines is completely unacceptable, but our neighborhood barely got one nine last year. Based on their current behavior, there's zero chance of them providing the bandwidths they're advertising for the new build out, even when the network is completely up and compl…

You can and should challenge the map then. The FCC actually has a means to do that and does respond. Ideally get an email follow up stating speeds, frontier has a habit of refusing to create a paper trail. https://help.bdc.fcc.gov/hc/en-us/articles/10476040597787-Ho...

I did this about 18 months ago, and surprisingly, Spectrum came out and actually put a new line up my road. I'd asked them off and on for years to get broadband. Last time I'd been quoted 12k to cross the little creek they stopped at and service the dozen or so houses on my side. But for whatever reason, this time they did it for free (well, normal hookup costs) after I challenged them on the FCC site.

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by sib »

jdminhbg wrote: post #9
hedora wrote: post #5

With how many 9's of availability, and at what latency? Frontier is advertising 3 nines average network-wide availability for their new fiber network. Three nines is completely unacceptable, but our neighborhood barely got one nine last year. Based on their current behavior, there's zero chance of them providing the bandwidths they're advertising for the new build out, even when the network is completely up and compl…

> Three nines is completely unacceptable Less than 9 hrs of downtime per year is unacceptable for consumer internet?

Yes, given that that's also the phone line for many people and therefore is an emergency service...

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

hedora wrote: post #5

With how many 9's of availability, and at what latency? Frontier is advertising 3 nines average network-wide availability for their new fiber network. Three nines is completely unacceptable, but our neighborhood barely got one nine last year. Based on their current behavior, there's zero chance of them providing the bandwidths they're advertising for the new build out, even when the network is completely up and compl…

The FCC is working on an internet service notice format “modeled after the FDA nutrition labels” [1].

[1] https://www.fcc.gov/broadbandlabels

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by notfried »

I like they raised the broadband minimum upload speed from 3 to 25Mbps. Spectrum's 300 Mbps broadband is only 10 Mbps up. Let's see how fast they change their statement that "an upload speed of 3 Mbps is enough for most households" [1].

[1: https://www.spectrum.com/resources/internet-wifi/what-is-a-g...]

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by ghaff »

uxp100 wrote: post #71
tomrod wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4 nines is reasonable, 5 nines a good target. ISPs have become utilities, especially since covid.

My electrical utility does not hit 4 nines, maybe not even 3. Water and sewer? Definitely.

I don't have town sewer but being without water is very rare. Being without electricity for maybe the total of day a year? Not rare. (Though semi-rural albeit on a major road.)

ADDED: I don't. But people having backup generators in snow country is not a weird thing.

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by Johnny555 »

dietr1ch wrote: post #68
Johnny555 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why isn't 3 9's acceptable for residential home internet? That's less than 9 hours of downtime a year, 44 minutes/month. Sure, I'd like 4 or even 5 9's, but I don't want to pay for it -- each additional 9 is exponentially more expensive to guarantee, and few people are willing to pay for that much reliability for their own network gear.

Dude, my DSL back in my second world country fared better. The US has enough money to have moderate standards

The DSL network piggybacked on the analog voice network which, at least in this country, was built to a higher standard. But I don't want to go back to the days of the 1990's where I was paying $40/month (around $100/month in today's dollars) for an analog phone line.

It was reliable, so reliable that "as reliable as dial tone" was something to aspire to, but also costly and limited in capability. Even if I could get DSL today, my fastest speed would top out around 12mbit/sec due to my distance to the CO, which doesn't even meet the current definition of broadband.

Re: FCC Officially Raises Minimum Broadband Metric from 25Mbps to 100Mbps

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Post by chgs »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #32
google234123 wrote: post #19

This is over regulation imo. If you support this then you can’t complain about there not being any low cost housing because it’s regulations akin to this that is increasing the costs. 25->100 is more of a luxury then a necessity

> 25->100 is more of a luxury then a necessity Not if you work remotely.

I’ve worked remotely for well over a decade. I currently t have 32/8. I rarely use even half that. The occasional large file may take a few seconds to download, it’s hardly a problem to wait 10 seconds though.
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