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Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by smallmancontrov »

spxneo wrote: post #102
camg55 wrote: post #90

Think this is great for Vancouver which needs more housing. The zoning is broken, and far too conservative. Glad to see the Squamish addressing a need that will likely benefit all, and hopefully this encourages the city of Vancouver to do the same on their own accord.

Building more homes in Vancouver will not result in lower prices because this is not a supply problem it is the financial assetization of home equity that drives higher and higher prices. Blue collar workers turned multi-millionaires rely on the continued rise of home prices to purchase cheap credit which they use to speculate on more homes. When they couldn't find anymore locals they turned to the international mark…

> feel entitled

It's funny how the people who sling this as an insult so often have a literal deed/title and are pursuing policy that pumps its value to the detriment of others.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

ipaddr wrote: post #99
fckgw wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does acceptable use of their own land look like to you? What would meet your specific approval?

The question is could someone build a similiar structure beside or does zoning prevent this. If so parent has a valid point

The answer is that no, there is no zoning in that area because that parcel of land is not subject to City of Vancouver zoning laws, being not part of the City of Vancouver. The adjacent properties are part of the City of Vancouver, and therefore are subject to zoning that the City of Vancouver chooses to impose upon them. That zoning could be removed if city hall so chooses, but Kitsilano NIMBYs would oppose it. But city hall cannot define zoning rules for land that is not within their jurisdiction, so the NIMBYs have no voice. Just like, say, UBC is also not subject to City of Vancouver municipal zoning rules. Nor is Nanaimo. Nor Haida Gwaii.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by switchbak »

faeriechangling wrote: post #78
brabel wrote: post #63

Everyone is really happy to concede some power to another group as long as that group is seen as completely harmless, and they continue to do that out of guilty, knowing that they completely replaced the other group. It really gets interesting is when the other group starts to gain power and assert its power, as being done here. At some point, tables may turn and said group may become again the top dog. It probably w…

The indigenous population is gradually increasing over time, which is a curious thing in a country whose leader who has confessed to presiding over an active genocide against them. It would take many generations of this trend happening for the Indigenous to become big players, but also not THAT long, maybe a couple hundred years.

I don't believe Justin Trudeau ever admitted to _presiding_ over an _active_ genocide. He was referring to the deaths of those in residential schools. Those were effectively shut down in the 80's - when Mr. Trudeau was still a child.

I think it would be more accurate to say that he acknowledged that there were tremendous harms inflicted by both the government and the church both before and after confederation, and that those harms rise to the level of what he considers to be genocide. There still exist wrongs that are being done to First Nations today (by the Liberal government no less), but there's no way that Mr. Trudeau would categorize those as genocide, full stop.

Also a reminder that as of yet, none of the mass grave sites of the last few years have been excavated, and ground-penetrating radar is insufficient to make a claim of a mass grave site. There is copious evidence of barbarous acts taking place at residential schools, however the media furor over these specific reports were premature, and we simply don't have solid data for these sites.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by nikitaga »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #146
stonogo wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On moral grounds, I find it questionable to give some citizens special birth rights greater than others. Kind of the point here is that it was happening the other way for a couple hundred years, so just abrogating current inequality still leaves one party as a disadvantage. The hard part is deciding when these catch-up priveleges have run their course. Since first nations metrics along the lines of economic status…

There is no real special catch up going on here. What is happening now is that First Nations have leveraged the courts to force a rule of law country like Canada to actually follow through on obeying the rule of law and following through with treaties they had signed and agreements they had made.

What treaties? BC signed very few treaties, unlike other provinces. That's why those lawsuits are even considered. We can thank a bunch of long-dead British guys for that.

And let's not pretend that this has anything to do with the constitution or the rule of law. The actual "rules" in the source material are woefully under-specified and open to all kinds of interpretation, so the number one factor actually affecting these decisions is the social popculture that everyone in the country, including the justices, is subject to.

We simply have a bunch of unelected people effectively writing an important part of Canadian law for decades, because the elected people whose actual job it is to write such laws don't want to do it.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by amackera »

ximus wrote: post #120

It's comforting to see first nations of canada recovering a central role in modern canadian society. However, having lived here for a year a year now, I have observed a concerning aspect of this re-integration, which is mentioned in the article: First nations aren't just propped back up and re-integrated in society, it goes further in that they are given special rights that go beyond what any other class of canadian…

Part of the point of reconciliation is to accept unequivocally the sovereignty of indigenous peoples. Is it not morally questionable to ignore indigenous peoples' sovereign rights (over fishing, forests, lands, etc.) as we have been doing up until now?

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by aclatuts »

spxneo wrote: post #102
camg55 wrote: post #90

Think this is great for Vancouver which needs more housing. The zoning is broken, and far too conservative. Glad to see the Squamish addressing a need that will likely benefit all, and hopefully this encourages the city of Vancouver to do the same on their own accord.

Building more homes in Vancouver will not result in lower prices because this is not a supply problem it is the financial assetization of home equity that drives higher and higher prices. Blue collar workers turned multi-millionaires rely on the continued rise of home prices to purchase cheap credit which they use to speculate on more homes. When they couldn't find anymore locals they turned to the international mark…

This is like the tech bro version of: private investors buying properties is inflating property prices.

The problem is blue collar people, which is a new one to me.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by extr »

elevaet wrote: post #158
nvy wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But on more practical grounds, this is creating a great big loophole for the traditional resource extraction companies to circumvent environment regulation by partnering with first nations on projects. There's a certain demographic that can't accept that indigenous people might not be nature-worshipping druids that never pollute and are infallible stewards of the land, so through that lens of course they don't need…

That may be true, but fundamentally this is about autonomy. These Nations do not necessarily fall under the jurisdiction of the National or Provincial government since they never ceeded their territory. It's a bit of a grey area for sure, but this isn't about "giving the people of the forest" stewardship of the land in order for them to protect it, it's recognizing that they didn't sign up to be governed under the na…

The idea that they do not fall under jusrisdiction is a farce and legal contrivance. In reality they have no international standing and do not and would not constitute an independent state under any normal criteria. What's happening here is the government is treating them with kid gloves because there is the perception what happened in the past is unfair (true!) and there is a desire to make amends for it. That's all well and good, let's just acknowledge it and call it what it is. If tomorrow they decided to start developing nuclear weapons I don't think "they didn't consent to be governed" would fly.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by EnigmaFlare »

badcppdev wrote: post #18
EnigmaFlare wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Find out what you're complaining about before getting race-baited into hating someone. The context of his statement might have made it perfectly reasonable. This article is obviously trying to paint everyone and their dog as a racist so don't trust it to be open about the context.

I think you need to provide some links with context because the article makes a compelling case that people are trying to block an indigenous group from exercising their agency.

I couldn't find the context so, given the tone of the article, I think it's a safe assumption that the author isn't being charitable and is trying to mislead.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by [deleted] »

amackera wrote: post #165
ximus wrote: post #120

It's comforting to see first nations of canada recovering a central role in modern canadian society. However, having lived here for a year a year now, I have observed a concerning aspect of this re-integration, which is mentioned in the article: First nations aren't just propped back up and re-integrated in society, it goes further in that they are given special rights that go beyond what any other class of canadian…

Part of the point of reconciliation is to accept unequivocally the sovereignty of indigenous peoples. Is it not morally questionable to ignore indigenous peoples' sovereign rights (over fishing, forests, lands, etc.) as we have been doing up until now?

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Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by trhway »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #145
ximus wrote: post #120

It's comforting to see first nations of canada recovering a central role in modern canadian society. However, having lived here for a year a year now, I have observed a concerning aspect of this re-integration, which is mentioned in the article: First nations aren't just propped back up and re-integrated in society, it goes further in that they are given special rights that go beyond what any other class of canadian…

> they are given special rights that go beyond what any other class of canadian citizens have access to > I find it questionable to give some citizens special birth rights greater than others The reason for this is because they are using their rights from signed treaties that define how resources are used on their lands. Persons that are part of First Nations like the Squamish and the Haida are not just "some citizen…

The story shows one of the facets of the value of sovereignty what countries and nations have over the history been fighting for. In this case the indigenous people invested into their sovereignty countless lives and suffering, and 2 centuries later it starts to pay off (similar to many other countries/nations in today's world who had been fighting for their freedom for decades and centuries until finally achieving it).
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