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NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth

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Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth

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Post by lawlessone »

_fat_santa wrote: post #2

I've always been a cautious skeptic of ADHD in children. On the one hand I know ADHD is a thing and that it legitimately affects some children, but on the other hand I realize that alot of ADHD symptoms overlap with the general nature of children, especially boys. My wonder is when does it to go from a kid just being a kid to a child actually affected by ADHD. Often times it's described as just not being able to pay…

I have started on Ritalin in my 30's.

I have to say the first time I took I suddenly felt very calm. Noises from neighboring apartments, dogs barking, children outside playing ceased to be annoying distractions.

I took 5mg to be precautious. And spent hours doing an overdue cleaning my room / apartment. And i felt ok doing it when normally i'd feel irritated. Normally i'd have trouble deciding where to start this, but with this i just started.

I started properly paying bills. To be clear i had the money to pay these bills. But i would always tend to leave them until I was getting notices to remind me.

Vyvanse was interesting though. It made me a lot more assertive, when most people would describe me as the opposite. I liked that but it was double edged sword. I stopped because I was working as sales assistant in a shop and I found I was getting just a bit too angry at belligerent customers.

Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth

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Post by tech_ken »

bookofjoe wrote: post #19
light_hue_1 wrote: post #16

This is a no-op paper. They found nothing useful. Maybe an inkling of something extremely weak. Maybe. Certainly nothing that should be popularized, taken up by the media, or used to make any decisions about anything. The kicker is: > Effect sizes were small (largest peak d, 0.15). To put that into language more people here would understand, it's like publishing a paper where your classifier gets 52% accuracy on a bi…

What does "no-op" mean?

"No operation"; in machine language it's an instruction that doesn't do anything, in broader tech lingo it's something that's moot or which requires no work. Commenter is basically saying that nothing actionable can be concluded from the paper's findings.

Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth

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Post by chimeracoder »

user_7832 wrote: post #28
corobo wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aye same - I did great up until I had to make my own structure. Decent enough in school but dropped out of college twice. Fell into an entry level IT job with loads of scripts, processes, and procedures but the more I progressed the more autonomy I was given and the worse I performed. Was mostly terrible but occasionally amazing (enough to keep my job at least) for ~10 years then bumped into the ADHD symptoms at some…

Could you explain what/how the CBT helped? Where I am in Europe the default treatment is only medication which feels inadequate on its own.

> Could you explain what/how the CBT helped? Where I am in Europe the default treatment is only medication which feels inadequate on its own.

Where are you? I can't think of a single place in Europe where medication alone is the treatment standard for ADHD.

Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth

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Post by rayiner »

_fat_santa wrote: post #2

I've always been a cautious skeptic of ADHD in children. On the one hand I know ADHD is a thing and that it legitimately affects some children, but on the other hand I realize that alot of ADHD symptoms overlap with the general nature of children, especially boys. My wonder is when does it to go from a kid just being a kid to a child actually affected by ADHD. Often times it's described as just not being able to pay…

We’ve been prescribing amphetamine salts since the 1950s, and Adderall specifically since the 1990s. It’s extremely well studied at this point.

Obviously we don’t give kids the doses college students might take for cramming. Stimulant sensitivity varies quite widely in the population—a dosage that might be appropriate for a particular child may make an adult feel “wired.” But there’s a lot of science showing that Adderall in appropriate doses is neither habit forming nor do people develop a resistance to it (which is what typically causes escalating usage).

Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth

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Post by cpburns2009 »

bookofjoe wrote: post #19
light_hue_1 wrote: post #16

This is a no-op paper. They found nothing useful. Maybe an inkling of something extremely weak. Maybe. Certainly nothing that should be popularized, taken up by the media, or used to make any decisions about anything. The kicker is: > Effect sizes were small (largest peak d, 0.15). To put that into language more people here would understand, it's like publishing a paper where your classifier gets 52% accuracy on a bi…

What does "no-op" mean?

No-op is computer jargon for "no operation". It comes from CPUs having instructions (or commands) that do effectively nothing. Programming languages sometimes use the no-op term for functions (or procedures) that are placeholders that do nothing. These placeholder functions can be replaced later and perform some action. TL;DR: A "no-op" is something that does nothing, or as used by the parent, a paper that doesn't contribute anything.

Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth

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Post by detourdog »

corobo wrote: post #3
_fat_santa wrote: post #2

I've always been a cautious skeptic of ADHD in children. On the one hand I know ADHD is a thing and that it legitimately affects some children, but on the other hand I realize that alot of ADHD symptoms overlap with the general nature of children, especially boys. My wonder is when does it to go from a kid just being a kid to a child actually affected by ADHD. Often times it's described as just not being able to pay…

> My wonder is when does it to go from a kid just being a kid to a child actually affected by ADHD The second D - disorder. When it affects the kid's ability to learn, socialise, etc

This is where it gets weird for me. I certainly can learn but school was torture. I had no problems socializing. I'm signed up for a neurological exam. I have had a personality exam with nothing jumping out.

Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth

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Post by el_benhameen »

oldstrangers wrote: post #33
ryandvm wrote: post #6

> They found that youth with ADHD had heightened connectivity between structures deep in the brain involved in learning, movement, reward, and emotion (caudate, putamen, and nucleus accumbens seeds) and structures in the frontal area of the brain involved in attention and control of unwanted behaviors (superior temporal gyri, insula, inferior parietal lobe, and inferior frontal gyri). So... ADHD is a symptom of an ov…

This tracks with my own theory on ADHD. It often times feels like a super power when it isn't ruining your life. If you manage it, it's remarkable. Left to its own devices, it's debilitating. When I was younger I tried to medicate the issue away, and then eventually came to the realization that I was doing more harm than good. So I learned to appreciate myself as just "different" as opposed to "dysfunctional". Perhap…

Have you found a good method for self-management?

Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth

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Post by teamonkey »

weweersdfsd wrote: post #32
bluefirebrand wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really like that you list a whole lot of things that ADHD includes that most people are unaware of, but I wanted to call attention to the two that probably had the largest negative impact on my own life Rejection Sensitivity and Emotional Disregulation I have always been paralyzed by being afraid of failure (rejection), and that has kept me from pursuing a lot of things in the past And I've always been prone to ang…

I wonder if the symptoms you described can be also explained by being on autism spectrum. And then there's generalized anxiety disorder - a common comorbidity with ADHD, which could also cause worrying about failure. I fairly certain I have either ADHD, autism, or probably both, and have existing diagnosis pointing to being "neuroatypical". But coming up with exact diagnosis seems to be pretty difficult, because many…

It's possible, sure. There's a blurry line between ADHD and autism, and ADHD is often comorbid when diagnosed with autism.

I would say, though, that ADHD medication can help with rejection sensitivity disorder and help regulate some emotional stress on top of the more well-known ADHD symptoms. Practically speaking, it doesn't matter where it comes from if it can be treated.

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Post by adastra22 »

lolinder wrote: post #9
thfuran wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you also skeptical of obesity in teens because eating a lot is just the general nature of teens, especially boys? Are you appalled that diabetics take insulin every day because you once injected yourself with insulin you didn't need and experienced severe side effects?

These comparisons feel like bad faith. This is what they actually said: > I've always been a cautious skeptic of ADHD in children. On the one hand I know ADHD is a thing and that it legitimately affects some children ... They explicitly say that they know it affects some children, but they're concerned that it's overdiagnosed because the symptoms have overlap with normal child development. This isn't some kind of uni…

He took prescription medication that was not prescribed to him and is now judging the people it is meant for based on his own interaction with the drug. A drug that quite famously has entirely different effects on the target population.

That is either extremely ignorant or bad faith. Either way it's below HN's standards.

Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth

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Post by rmbyrro »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #16

This is a no-op paper. They found nothing useful. Maybe an inkling of something extremely weak. Maybe. Certainly nothing that should be popularized, taken up by the media, or used to make any decisions about anything. The kicker is: > Effect sizes were small (largest peak d, 0.15). To put that into language more people here would understand, it's like publishing a paper where your classifier gets 52% accuracy on a bi…

https://chat.openai.com/share/37623c40-fe0e-4a5a-a973-75b7c8...

ChatGPT gave me a more balanced view to understand OP's criticisms. Sharing if anyone would like to read a more dispassionate (machine) version.

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