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What does "no-op" mean?
Waste, space/time/etc.
I still don't understand how "no-op" translates to "Waste, space/time/etc." Help!
NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth
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Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a huge difference between the common stereotype of ADHD (just rowdy children who can't sit still), and actual symptoms and diagnostic criteria. The difference is almost as comically warped as an image of a "hacker" in media vs actual hackers. ADHD includes many other things like weak short-term memory, defunct perception of time, hard to control hyperfocus, overwhelming inner monologue, and executive dysfunc…
I really like that you list a whole lot of things that ADHD includes that most people are unaware of, but I wanted to call attention to the two that probably had the largest negative impact on my own life Rejection Sensitivity and Emotional Disregulation I have always been paralyzed by being afraid of failure (rejection), and that has kept me from pursuing a lot of things in the past And I've always been prone to ang…
I wonder if the symptoms you described can be also explained by being on autism spectrum. And then there's generalized anxiety disorder - a common comorbidity with ADHD, which could also cause worrying about failure.
I fairly certain I have either ADHD, autism, or probably both, and have existing diagnosis pointing to being "neuroatypical". But coming up with exact diagnosis seems to be pretty difficult, because many other diagnosis can explain specific symptoms.
Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth
#33> They found that youth with ADHD had heightened connectivity between structures deep in the brain involved in learning, movement, reward, and emotion (caudate, putamen, and nucleus accumbens seeds) and structures in the frontal area of the brain involved in attention and control of unwanted behaviors (superior temporal gyri, insula, inferior parietal lobe, and inferior frontal gyri). So... ADHD is a symptom of an ov…
This tracks with my own theory on ADHD. It often times feels like a super power when it isn't ruining your life. If you manage it, it's remarkable. Left to its own devices, it's debilitating. When I was younger I tried to medicate the issue away, and then eventually came to the realization that I was doing more harm than good. So I learned to appreciate myself as just "different" as opposed to "dysfunctional".
Perhaps there's some evolutionary advantage to these 'mental disorders' that'll make sense when they're more fully formed in another few hundred years.
Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth
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Aye same - I did great up until I had to make my own structure. Decent enough in school but dropped out of college twice. Fell into an entry level IT job with loads of scripts, processes, and procedures but the more I progressed the more autonomy I was given and the worse I performed. Was mostly terrible but occasionally amazing (enough to keep my job at least) for ~10 years then bumped into the ADHD symptoms at some…
Could you explain what/how the CBT helped? Where I am in Europe the default treatment is only medication which feels inadequate on its own.
I think this is where things diverge depending on what troubles the ADHD brings you. It's kinda like debugging a program except the program is your brain - and yeah in the UK it's medication only by default, had to sort out the CBT side of things myself when I realised the meds were helping but not quite doing enough alone.
I originally went for help with low confidence which expanded out to digging into and addressing self-esteem, confidence, social anxiety, procrastination, and perfectionism.
If I'd taken one general thing from it though it's "do I have evidence or is this an assumption?" - if I have no evidence (that I'm terrible at my job, I did bad, that guy hates me, etc) then I should reevaluate if it's even accurate before doing anything with the thought
Writing things down when things go wrong was a big part of it too - what's the situation, what led to the situation, is it possible to view the situation in a better light, if not how can I fix the situation, if I can't fix things myself is there anyone that can help me with this situation rather than wallowing in it. That sort of thing.
As I say I imagine it'll differ from person to person so other people may have an entirely different experience with it, I'm not sure. Definitely worked for my systems/coding flavoured brain though, really was like debugging faults in a program. Figure out the underlying issue, try a fix, did it work? y/n? If no, try another fix. If yes, work on the next problem.
Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth
#35I've always been a cautious skeptic of ADHD in children. On the one hand I know ADHD is a thing and that it legitimately affects some children, but on the other hand I realize that alot of ADHD symptoms overlap with the general nature of children, especially boys. My wonder is when does it to go from a kid just being a kid to a child actually affected by ADHD. Often times it's described as just not being able to pay…
If you have a child with ADHD you will know. They are different.
The problem is that often a child with ADHD may also have autism, or various other difficulties (learning disabilities, anxiety disoder) that may mask, or have similar symptoms. And then you can also have such disorders without having ADHD. The same structural differences in brain can cause lots of things.
Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
What does "no-op" mean?
>That is a paper that you should not put your name on. I certainly would not. Their effects are also more like 0.11 not 0.15; the largest peak misrepresents all of the rest of the results. >What they did is aggregate so much data that even a small inconsequential difference between groups that may account for nothing at all, that would go away with slightly different controls for confounds, becomes statistically sign…
> Do you have a background and credentials as valid?
I do. But we live in a world where people write you letters for promotion, review your grants, etc. Using your own name to say these things in public is bad for your career. So I'd rather not.
Plenty has been said in scientific publications about how junk like this leads to most papers being false, how we shouldn't do statistics this way, etc. Scientists know, but it hasn't been communicated to the public yet.
That being said, the beauty of science is that you don't need to see my CV.
A basic understanding of what Cohen's d is, or a simple translation (with some heavy assumptions) into accuracy as I provided, is enough to see that the paper is total trash. They found nothing, but they found it at huge scale, so the p value was very small.
By no-op I mean that it contributes nothing and means nothing. It's a waste of time for everyone. In a world were bean-counting publications wasn't how science was measured, I'm sure the authors would never have considered even writing this up worthwhile, never mind submitting it.
The term comes from assembly which often has a no-op instruction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOP_(code) Something that does nothing (although, that nothing may be critical depending on the instruction set).
Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you also skeptical of obesity in teens because eating a lot is just the general nature of teens, especially boys? Are you appalled that diabetics take insulin every day because you once injected yourself with insulin you didn't need and experienced severe side effects?
These comparisons feel like bad faith. This is what they actually said: > I've always been a cautious skeptic of ADHD in children. On the one hand I know ADHD is a thing and that it legitimately affects some children ... They explicitly say that they know it affects some children, but they're concerned that it's overdiagnosed because the symptoms have overlap with normal child development. This isn't some kind of uni…
Wait... Which barbaric country is that where a simple family doctor can prescribe amphetamines like that? Not in my EU country. It's a controlled medication and can only be prescribed by psychiatrists.
Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a huge difference between the common stereotype of ADHD (just rowdy children who can't sit still), and actual symptoms and diagnostic criteria. The difference is almost as comically warped as an image of a "hacker" in media vs actual hackers. ADHD includes many other things like weak short-term memory, defunct perception of time, hard to control hyperfocus, overwhelming inner monologue, and executive dysfunc…
I really like that you list a whole lot of things that ADHD includes that most people are unaware of, but I wanted to call attention to the two that probably had the largest negative impact on my own life Rejection Sensitivity and Emotional Disregulation I have always been paralyzed by being afraid of failure (rejection), and that has kept me from pursuing a lot of things in the past And I've always been prone to ang…
Thank you both for adding these comments. I'm older than you, mid-40s now, and I'm _just_ starting to get treatment for ADHD after a lot of unnecessary struggles.
I'm sure that people like the root of this thread mean well, but at the same time that attitude is exactly what kept me from receiving treatment or care when I was younger.
Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you also skeptical of obesity in teens because eating a lot is just the general nature of teens, especially boys? Are you appalled that diabetics take insulin every day because you once injected yourself with insulin you didn't need and experienced severe side effects?
These comparisons feel like bad faith. This is what they actually said: > I've always been a cautious skeptic of ADHD in children. On the one hand I know ADHD is a thing and that it legitimately affects some children ... They explicitly say that they know it affects some children, but they're concerned that it's overdiagnosed because the symptoms have overlap with normal child development. This isn't some kind of uni…
>These comparisons feel like bad faith. This is what they actually said:
Taking prescription medication without a prescription or the condition it's meant to treat and then using its effects on you to decry its use by those with both seems like bad faith.
Re: NIH Researchers Identify Brain Connections Associated with ADHD in Youth
#40As mentioned by light_hue_1:
> Effect sizes were small (largest peak d, 0.15).
It also doesn't look like they considered what effect a daily prescription of ADHD medications might have on brain connections versus the inherent condition itself.