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Ageism Haunts Some Tech Workers in the Race to Get Hired

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Re: Ageism Haunts Some Tech Workers in the Race to Get Hired

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Ageism is pretty much only talked about when it affects older people. Younger people - broadly millenials and younger - have just had to make piece with the ageism they've faced their entire lives and continue to face. I understand that one day I'll be old too, but my sympathies are limited and it'll be nothing truly new for us when people start dismissing us for being old, since people have been dismissing us for be…

how do you think ageism affects young people?

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The article calls it an "open secret" in the industry, but it isn't even much of a secret. Most companies have explicit "manage up or manage out" policies for engineers, which means that if you have been at a certain level for too many years you get fired and replaced by someone younger. They say you need to work hard and get promoted to senior staff/principal/director/VP, but then the promo budget says only 2 people…

Everyone else gets replaced by someone cheaper who still believes that sacrifices will be rewarded. That's the open secret.

Re: Ageism Haunts Some Tech Workers in the Race to Get Hired

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I did feel a disadvantage myself when I was job searching a few months ago, but for me it was my personal attitude coming through more than anyone judging me by my age. I felt that I just cannot get excited anymore about some of the bullshit the company leadership is throwing around, and neither could I overlook the massive mistakes the companies are making based on my own interview questions. But I do understand tha…

Yes - this. I can't just forget all of the wisdom I've gained over the years and throw myself into another meat grinder.

Re: Ageism Haunts Some Tech Workers in the Race to Get Hired

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that illegal in the US and opens up doors for lawsuits?

Likely yes: https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/discrimination/agedisc (second paragraph) I'm not sure what if means by "certain" applicants and employees, but my guess would be jobs where it's relevant, like physical labor, are excluded.

I would imagine it's extremely hard to prove though. The prospective employer could just maintain that the applicant "wouldn't be a good culture fit" or similar.

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post #53

The jokes on them. The generations are getting smaller and smaller. The lack of junior roles is making that pool even smaller. A giant bubble is forming. They spent the last 5 years talking about diversity and how great it is and how it makes better teams. Now every job is 5+ YOE. Do as I say, not as I do tech.

AI changes the landscape alot. Even as an experienced engineer the sheer amount of knowledge you get access to from a single prompt without having to read any tutorial or book can change a Junior into Senior very quickly. I just hope it wont face the same issue google had: - starting with good answers and evolving into mud

It only works for established technologies. New inventions are by definition not in the training dataset. What then?

Re: Ageism Haunts Some Tech Workers in the Race to Get Hired

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. They get kicked out of the field. Like someone said, it's an open secret.

Depends on how you define 'the field'- if you mean SV cutting edge unicorn selling ad stuff, then yes. If you include some place like Lockheed Martin or Northrup Grumman doing boring non-cutting edge stuff like aerospace or signal analysis, then no.

>doing boring non-cutting edge stuff like aerospace or signal analysis

hehe, how the world has changed

Re: Ageism Haunts Some Tech Workers in the Race to Get Hired

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Ageism is pretty much only talked about when it affects older people. Younger people - broadly millenials and younger - have just had to make piece with the ageism they've faced their entire lives and continue to face. I understand that one day I'll be old too, but my sympathies are limited and it'll be nothing truly new for us when people start dismissing us for being old, since people have been dismissing us for be…

Hang in there buddy. We hire qualified people of all ages who like to learn and get their work done. I'm GenX and I've heard all the age stuff before in my youth as well.

(1) Be yourself (2) Provide value (3) Take on some of the boring stuff that adds to business continuity

Number 3 is not sexy, but good management notices.

Re: Ageism Haunts Some Tech Workers in the Race to Get Hired

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post #27

The article calls it an "open secret" in the industry, but it isn't even much of a secret. Most companies have explicit "manage up or manage out" policies for engineers, which means that if you have been at a certain level for too many years you get fired and replaced by someone younger. They say you need to work hard and get promoted to senior staff/principal/director/VP, but then the promo budget says only 2 people…

> A recruiter told him that he wouldn’t be appealing to employers and opined that Six should be chief technology officer at this point in his career, not a software developer, Six says. I have been flat-out told that I should ask for less, because of my age. I have had recruiters hang up on me, as soon as they figured out my age. I gave up, after a while, (but I am still producing quite a bit of code -just for free).…

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Re: Ageism Haunts Some Tech Workers in the Race to Get Hired

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post #27

The article calls it an "open secret" in the industry, but it isn't even much of a secret. Most companies have explicit "manage up or manage out" policies for engineers, which means that if you have been at a certain level for too many years you get fired and replaced by someone younger. They say you need to work hard and get promoted to senior staff/principal/director/VP, but then the promo budget says only 2 people…

Dunno where you've worked but up-or-out ejects most people destined for "out" long, long before they reach the point where ageism is even a consideration.
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