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Time for TikTok to cut its ties to China

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Re: Time for TikTok to cut its ties to China

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Post by anon373839 »

Clubber wrote: post #20
yogorenapan wrote: post #11

Banning TikTok wouldn’t be a dangerous precedent. Authoritarian countries do that all the time. My concern is with forced sales. How do we ensure that the politicians’ incentives matches with ours and that they aren’t being paid behind our backs by the companies that are now able to acquire TikTok at a discount? Congress is notorious for (alleged) insider trading, they could very well profit from such a sale. Relevan…

>Banning TikTok wouldn’t be a dangerous precedent. Authoritarian countries do that all the time. Wanting to live in a non-authoritarian country, I think you missed the point you just made, or were just being sarcastic and it went over my head. There's a theory that this push for a Tik-Tok ban is being funded by Meta, who can't buy it like it bought other competition like Instagram and WhatsApp. Monopolies are bad, mm…

Agree on the citation to authoritarian regimes. Otherwise, though, I have no qualms about banning what may very well be a mass psyops machine run by a hostile foreign government.

Re: Time for TikTok to cut its ties to China

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Post by Clubber »

anon373839 wrote: post #21
Clubber wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Banning TikTok wouldn’t be a dangerous precedent. Authoritarian countries do that all the time. Wanting to live in a non-authoritarian country, I think you missed the point you just made, or were just being sarcastic and it went over my head. There's a theory that this push for a Tik-Tok ban is being funded by Meta, who can't buy it like it bought other competition like Instagram and WhatsApp. Monopolies are bad, mm…

Agree on the citation to authoritarian regimes. Otherwise, though, I have no qualms about banning what may very well be a mass psyops machine run by a hostile foreign government.

>very well be a mass psyops machine run by a hostile foreign government.

I think that fits word-for-word for domestic companies minus the foreign part.

Re: Time for TikTok to cut its ties to China

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Post by CommanderData »

hypeit wrote: post #2

I want to use TikTok as it exists today. Why should that right be taken away from me by the US government? This is going to have major political backlash from the millions of people happy with TikTok if they manage to pass it.

The Israel-Palestine conflict is playing a huge part. Israel has had a hard time controlling the narrative on Tiktok as organic support has stemmed from videos from Gaza. Especially amoung teens.

Israel has even gone to lengths to purchase advertisement slots on major platforms showing high budget propaganada. Once it's under US ownership they wll no longer have this issue.

Re: Time for TikTok to cut its ties to China

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Post by CommanderData »

yogorenapan wrote: post #11

Banning TikTok wouldn’t be a dangerous precedent. Authoritarian countries do that all the time. My concern is with forced sales. How do we ensure that the politicians’ incentives matches with ours and that they aren’t being paid behind our backs by the companies that are now able to acquire TikTok at a discount? Congress is notorious for (alleged) insider trading, they could very well profit from such a sale. Relevan…

I'm pretty sure the Israel-Palestine genocide has played a part in speeding up partial transfer to the US.

The support among teenagers who have witness the destruction and terrorism caused by Israel has cause organic support for Palestine in both the US and Europe. Exactly against the wishes of US/Israel gov.

US based companies already have a tight grip on what's allowed to be shared on social media - and there's frequent documented cases of censorship in the name of anti-Semitism etc. The Israeli govenment has a degree of control already through their cyber warfare arm to flag material but it's a far cry from modifying the algorithm at will and outright account bans.

Re: Time for TikTok to cut its ties to China

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Post by anon373839 »

Clubber wrote: post #22
anon373839 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree on the citation to authoritarian regimes. Otherwise, though, I have no qualms about banning what may very well be a mass psyops machine run by a hostile foreign government.

>very well be a mass psyops machine run by a hostile foreign government. I think that fits word-for-word for domestic companies minus the foreign part.

I think so, too. But that’s no reason to give TikTok a pass.

Re: Time for TikTok to cut its ties to China

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Post by Clubber »

anon373839 wrote: post #26
Clubber wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>very well be a mass psyops machine run by a hostile foreign government. I think that fits word-for-word for domestic companies minus the foreign part.

I think so, too. But that’s no reason to give TikTok a pass.

I agree. I think the government needs to block a whole lot of M&A than they do. I wonder if the ultimate plan is to break TikTok away from the CCP and allow it to be bought domestically. I recall Trump trying to do that with Larry Ellison of all people, but I think he ran into roadblocks.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/14/tech/oracle-tiktok-us-china-i...

Re: Time for TikTok to cut its ties to China

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Post by VK538FY »

CommanderData wrote: post #24
hypeit wrote: post #2

I want to use TikTok as it exists today. Why should that right be taken away from me by the US government? This is going to have major political backlash from the millions of people happy with TikTok if they manage to pass it.

The Israel-Palestine conflict is playing a huge part. Israel has had a hard time controlling the narrative on Tiktok as organic support has stemmed from videos from Gaza. Especially amoung teens. Israel has even gone to lengths to purchase advertisement slots on major platforms showing high budget propaganada. Once it's under US ownership they wll no longer have this issue.

Fascinating if true. I don't use Tik Tok or 抖音 so I have no idea. Any links?
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