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Finland makes 1Mb broadband access a legal right (2009)

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Re: Finland makes 1Mb broadband access a legal right (2009)

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Original article is three years old. Here's two more on the subject, both less than month old. The first one also provides info about the scope of the plan and its implementation (like "Private Roads Act, Highways Act and Rail Tracks Act will be adjusted, so that cables can be placed within the infrastructure in the most economic manner possible overall").

"The Government is to keep the hundred megabit objective to be achieved by 2015, which was set during the election period. By 2015, high-speed 100 Mbit/s broadband connections will be available at no more than two kilometres from all permanent places of residence."

http://www.lvm.fi/web/en/pressreleases/-/view/4109122

In this news item, the Finnish Minister of Communications suggests that 10Mb would become the new minimum standard before end of election term in 2015.

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Legally+mandated+broadband+...

Re: Finland makes 1Mb broadband access a legal right (2009)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're clearly arguing with a libertarian. There's no point continuing.

Why there's no point continuing?

I don't wish to start an argument, but most libertarians define their reality in their own head. Their arguments often don't translate into real world scenarios but trying to convince them of this is practically impossible.

Re: Finland makes 1Mb broadband access a legal right (2009)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This really isn't a good measure since roads will be denser in urban areas and less dense in rural areas, thus leading to exactly the same issues as directly using population density. Please be so good as explaining you point better, I do not understand it. If you are going to wire up every lot in the state, you will have to traverse all roads in the state to do a cable drop to every lot in order to do so. What doe…

A number of different factors at play. Imagine a layout where cables do not have to follow roads. Imagine a layout where one cable can serve buildings on two roads. Certainly much, much easier when the buildings are dense. Imagine a thousand people living in one building in the center of a thousand square miles, served by one cable. Imagine a thousand people living one per square mile in a thousand square miles. The…

Imagination will take you very far, and in this case, very far from the matter at hand. Texas and Finland are real places, not figments of imagination.

> Imagine a layout where cables do not have to follow roads. Imagine a layout where one cable can serve buildings on two roads. Certainly much, much easier when the buildings are dense.

Not very likely in the real world. Easements and rights of way are not available or not readily available among arbitrary paths. In any case, even if you were to cut through peoples back yards, you would still most of the time just be following a parallellish path to the roads.

> Imagine a thousand people living in one building in the center of a thousand square miles, served by one cable. Imagine a thousand people living one per square mile in a thousand square miles. The population densities are the same. The cabling costs are not.

These are real places we are talking about. Have a look at a map.

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