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House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner or ban the app
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#352The actual bill is here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521 And I think the interesting bit is what is considered a covered company: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521... The wording could be applied to many companies, including chat apps like Telegram. The only saving grace is that the company has to be controlled by a "foreign adversary", and it seems to explicitl…
Seems fairly written to me.
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What evidence do you have to support this belief?
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#354It is concerning that this bill seemingly includes a very specific carve out for Yelp[0] which is not owned by China, Russia, Iran or North Korea as far as I'm aware. Sure seems like the bill probably does more than just crackdown on TikTok. [0]: https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/17675409413787445...
Agreed, would be interested to hear why that was added in the first place.
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#355Ridiculous bill. Maniacs are running everything these days only based on wild populism. Freedoms are over in America. Time to move to Saudi or some shit.
Oh yes, Saudi is definitely the freest country. /s
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#356If US bans TikTok then other countries should ban US apps because they can be used for spying and manipulation of public opinion the same way. Either a country makes its own apps or it becomes a subject to foreign influence.
I think you'll find that essentially all US social media is already banned in China...
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#357I think the primary argument for banning TikTok should be based on reciprocity rather than moral and/or security concerns. We can make similar arguments about the negative effects of Facebook, Instagram, and etc. even from the POVs of other countries, but the key issue here is that China heavily restricts foreign apps and services from operating in their market. If China is unwilling to allow US companies to compete…
That's a bad argument because western platforms are free to compete fairly in PRC market, provided they follow PRC laws like EVERY OTHER PRC PLATFORM. Facebook/Twitter only got banned after 2009 minority riots for abetting terrorism and not cracking down on posts calling for mutual retaliatory violence. It's more accurate to say most major western platforms at the time was simply incapable of of moderating PRC conten…
> That's a bad argument because western platforms are free to compete fairly in PRC market, provided they follow PRC laws like EVERY OTHER PRC PLATFORM.
Dude, Chinese national living in China here. I have 3 different vpns from 3 different vendors, that is how I manage to get here and talk to you. Care to shed some light on why they restrict my free & open access to the Internet that I dedicated my entire life to build?
> after 2009 minority riots
I strongly support CCP's policies in Xinjiang, it is anti-terrorism for sure. That being said, I wouldn't call those angry & brainwashed Tibetans "terrorists".
> It's more accurate to say most major western platforms at the time was simply incapable of of moderating PRC content.
I used to visit a local forum hosted here in China quite often. They carefully moderate the content, all users have to register with their legal names, the forum even had the curfew every night as their moderators need to sleep and they couldn't afford the risk of such human moderator free hours. Guess what, they still got shutdown last year for "regulation reasons".
> There's a reason Bing still operates in PRC, see recent Bloomberg piece on Microsoft keeps Bing running in PRC by basically complying to mass censorship like domestic players.
Because Bill Gates has very good personal relationship with the very top leadership. That is the really scary part.
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#358Earlier quoted context omitted.
Freedom of speech includes not being prohibited from listening to other people's speech.
The first amendment in the bill of rights in the US constitution prevents the US government from restricting the speech of US citizens. It doesn’t say anything about foreign nationals with no status in the US. The government also has the authority to deport whomever it likes, impose tariffs and restrict imports. Regardless of moral stance, that is the reality as I see it.
> The first amendment in the bill of rights in the US constitution prevents the US government from restricting the speech of US citizens.
It also applies to foreigners who are in the US legally.
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#359Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, what? How are my dancing Korean girls and cat videos affecting politics?
You're focusing on them instead of politics. "Panem et circenses" is a political tactic.
Gosh, no politics in my relaxing doom-scrolling video app. Is it some nefarious plot to pacify the evil capitalists.. or wait... maybe they just know what consumers want?
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#360Ignoring everything else TikTok screwed up. They’re m being accused of having the ability to manipulate public opinion and elections. So what did they do? Push alerts to millions of users telling them of a possible ban and helping them call their representatives to change a political issue’s fortunes. Oops. All of a sudden a ton of representatives who were on the fence jumped off and joined the bandwagon.
> They’re m being accused of having the ability to manipulate public opinion and elections. I thought it was about stealing data? > Push alerts to millions of users telling them of a possible ban and helping them call their representatives to change a political issue’s fortunes. Not pushing the alert, would have changed nothing. And to be fair, isn't this how any organization in a democratic country works? Talking to…
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