Is there anyone who is actually upset about this?
Yes, just read through this thread.
House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner or ban the app
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#92Don't be fooled by talk about security or privacy. This is simple Nation State realpolitik. TikTok is a propaganda threat controlled by a non-friendly state to the US. Any other way to look at this is naive.
What propaganda is TikTok pushing?
Besides if your country is strong enough you should be able to shrug it off. France recently put the right to abortion in the Constitution despite American media.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why shouldn’t Europeans do the same with US social networks then?
1) wouldn't blame them if they did 2) we are in this military alliance called NATO; if you are depending on each other for military help, you're not thinking about social media based threats
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#94Does anyone have an idea of the likelihood of the owners divesting vs a ban being enforced? I kind of want to see the owners refuse to divest
> kind of want to see the owners refuse to divest
It will 100% be enforced if passed. There is marginal political will to pass this. There is no political will to bail out TikTok if ByteDance or Beijing throw a hissy fit.
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#95I will laugh when they will sell to a newly founded Hungarian company - EU state, but anti-west, and China's biggest ally in the region.
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#96The most honest USA competition be like:
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#97Why doesn't USA pass a law that enforces data on US citizens to be stored in the US, like GDPR does in EU?
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#98Just when I think I have a handle on how stupid our politicians are... they find some way to make me realize they are even dumber than I previously thought. According to HuffPost it was a 352-65 vote, so this stupidity was bipartisan. So much for one party being smarter than the other. Banning an extremely popular app, in an election year no less, while providing absolutely zero evidence to prove what you accuse it o…
I'm from Europe. Since China was supporting Russia to start a war on European soil. I sure hope that China's influence is reduced to a minimum as quickly as possible. Ofc, that includes propaganda through TikTok.
This bill does nothing to address the problem of nation state propaganda spreading via social media. It just allows American politicians to claim a fake national security victory over a Chinese owned company while ignoring the fact that American owned social media companies are a steaming cesspool full of such content.
Dont get me wrong, I think TikTok is terrible. I won't use it. Ever. But that still doesn't mean it should be banned. Unless you want to ban all social media apps all at once. Probably still not something I would support, but I could definitely see proponents being able to form much more compelling arguments in favor of such an action.
As it stands right now, this makes zero logical sense.
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#99This is a war over cultural influence. I'm 100% for free markets and anti-regulation (as it nearly all is based on bribes targeted to harm competition), but I've never figured out a good theoretical policy for how a free market should interact with a unbridled dictatorship like China.
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#100I'm a big proponent of free speech and the first amendment, but I agree with the reasonings for banning it or forcing US owners. China most definitely has their hands in the data that TikTok amasses and given its popularity it's not an insignificant risk to U.S. citizens. We all know how easy it is to manipulate users... aka Cambridge Analytica. It'll be interesting to see what legal challenges come up if the bill pa…
> China most definitely has their hands in the data that TikTok amasses and given its popularity it's not an insignificant risk to U.S. citizens. At least according to their website, it seems like US data does not leave US data warehouses: https://usds.tiktok.com/our-approach-to-keeping-u-s-data-sec... I don’t know the details of course but if China wants the data there are umpteen companies who engage in data broker…
Even if data doesn’t leave US, we want to avoid algorithmic manipulation via TikTok feed.