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House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner or ban the app

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Re: House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner or ban the app

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My understanding is that this is a much broader bill than just TikTok.

It would give the president the authority to ban any app or website both foreign and domestic based on the wording of the text of the bill.

Can anyone verify if this is true in the text of what was passed?

Re: House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner or ban the app

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I'm a big proponent of free speech and the first amendment, but I agree with the reasonings for banning it or forcing US owners. China most definitely has their hands in the data that TikTok amasses and given its popularity it's not an insignificant risk to U.S. citizens. We all know how easy it is to manipulate users... aka Cambridge Analytica. It'll be interesting to see what legal challenges come up if the bill pa…

Why shouldn’t Europeans do the same with US social networks then?

They should, and viewed in a certain light that is what the GPDR and DMA are trying to achieve— make room for native companies.

Re: House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner or ban the app

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post #23

I'm a big proponent of free speech and the first amendment, but I agree with the reasonings for banning it or forcing US owners. China most definitely has their hands in the data that TikTok amasses and given its popularity it's not an insignificant risk to U.S. citizens. We all know how easy it is to manipulate users... aka Cambridge Analytica. It'll be interesting to see what legal challenges come up if the bill pa…

Why shouldn’t Europeans do the same with US social networks then?

1) wouldn't blame them if they did 2) we are in this military alliance called NATO; if you are depending on each other for military help, you're not thinking about social media based threats

Re: House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner or ban the app

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post #23

I'm a big proponent of free speech and the first amendment, but I agree with the reasonings for banning it or forcing US owners. China most definitely has their hands in the data that TikTok amasses and given its popularity it's not an insignificant risk to U.S. citizens. We all know how easy it is to manipulate users... aka Cambridge Analytica. It'll be interesting to see what legal challenges come up if the bill pa…

Why shouldn’t Europeans do the same with US social networks then?

They're welcome to if they think it's worthwhile.

Re: House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner or ban the app

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As much as I don't care about tiktok going away, and acknowledge the privacy and security risks, there's something about banning a highly popular website that doesn't sit right with me. Is there precedent in the USA for anything like this?

I didn’t know that Rupert Murdoch had to become a U.S. citizen to own a U.S. newspaper. So precedents for old school media but of course the problem is new media not needing physical distribution that can be readily monitored.

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Don't be fooled by talk about security or privacy. This is simple Nation State realpolitik. TikTok is a propaganda threat controlled by a non-friendly state to the US. Any other way to look at this is naive.

Nation State realpolitik is security.

Re: House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner or ban the app

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Don't be fooled by talk about security or privacy. This is simple Nation State realpolitik. TikTok is a propaganda threat controlled by a non-friendly state to the US. Any other way to look at this is naive.

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Re: House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner or ban the app

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post #23

I'm a big proponent of free speech and the first amendment, but I agree with the reasonings for banning it or forcing US owners. China most definitely has their hands in the data that TikTok amasses and given its popularity it's not an insignificant risk to U.S. citizens. We all know how easy it is to manipulate users... aka Cambridge Analytica. It'll be interesting to see what legal challenges come up if the bill pa…

Why shouldn’t Europeans do the same with US social networks then?

> Why shouldn’t Europeans do the same with US social networks then?

We’re not your foreign adversary? (If we are, we shouldn’t have an obligation to defend you.)

This bill permits TikTok’s sale to a European owner. It just bans its ownership by a foreign adversary country.

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