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California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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>See how many of the lists below UC Merced appears in, how many Cal Poly SLO appears in: This is about feelings and bias, not facts. Of course Cal Poly is a top notch school. But do you think the hiring manager isn't going to pick the identical applicant who went to Riverside instead?

> But do you think the hiring manager isn't going to pick the identical applicant who went to Riverside instead Yes. The SLO grad will always get the leg up Dallas westwards. Cal Poly SLO is one of the oldest universities in California (older than UCLA and CalTech) and the Western US and has a massive alumni network (C-Suite at Apple, Raytheon, Yahoo, etc back in the day as well as most of the Central California Repu…

>Yes. The SLO grad will always get the leg up Dallas westwards.

Completely fair, this is indeed a California/SV problem in particular.

Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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> But do you think the hiring manager isn't going to pick the identical applicant who went to Riverside instead Yes. The SLO grad will always get the leg up Dallas westwards. Cal Poly SLO is one of the oldest universities in California (older than UCLA and CalTech) and the Western US and has a massive alumni network (C-Suite at Apple, Raytheon, Yahoo, etc back in the day as well as most of the Central California Repu…

>Yes. The SLO grad will always get the leg up Dallas westwards. Completely fair, this is indeed a California/SV problem in particular.

Outside California as well (nor is this a problem).

SLO has a strong alumni network across the West, as all western state residents pay in-state residency at state universities.

Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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Is this really surprising? Let's just look at US demographics right now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Sta... Looking at the chart, I'd expect to have seen a drop in enrollments among those younger than early to mid 20's over the last few years. 6% easily seems en par with the demographics shift. If that reasoning is correct, we'll see a slight recovery or stabilization peaking in about 5 y…

Joe Biden basically spearheaded the US ability to turn student lending into a perpetual organ grinder of human misery in 1976. Did US colleges think people wouldn't wise up to the nightmare of un-dischargeable debt and the explosion of papermill colleges from Section 439 after fifty years? https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-made-it-harder-to-disc... it will likely take another fifty years to rebuild the confidence…

More likely the system will collapse into socialism. Biden/dems pack US with migrants for a reason, exactly this.

Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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Which is still about twice of what I paid for my entire bachelors and masters education in germany and it included a ticket for the entire public transport system in my city for the entire 5 years and full access to _very_ comprehensive library (of both physical books and e-books so there was no need to buy even a single book during my studies). I may speak from a perspective of ignorance here but I believe 6000$ a y…

It's an infinity% more than what I paid for university in Poland

Some were even payed for university. Those were times when almost nobody actually could afford to pay, socialism,

Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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Which is still about twice of what I paid for my entire bachelors and masters education in germany and it included a ticket for the entire public transport system in my city for the entire 5 years and full access to _very_ comprehensive library (of both physical books and e-books so there was no need to buy even a single book during my studies). I may speak from a perspective of ignorance here but I believe 6000$ a y…

I don’t know, I think it’s still a good deal, I’d rather have cheap tuition and low taxes than high taxes and no tuition

Agree, it's better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick.

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Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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The headline could read: Parents and children are waking up to the student loan con game.

In-state tuition for the CSUs is on the order of $13,000/yr. I don't think an aversion towards student loans explains this.

For comparison, when I went to CSUC it cost ~$3000/year for tuition (2024 dollars).

And boy were we pissed at Pete Wilson for making it cost that much.

The only thing that makes it worth becoming a grade school teacher is PSLF. Otherwise you'd be in debt for life.

Situation is dire.

Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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You think the avg CSU student is going to perform the same as avg UC student?

Personally, I feel your average student is likely to perform quite poorly for the first couple years at a real job regardless of the institution they attended. It is all about the individuals! I've worked with so many people who grew up poor or had other disadvantages, went to community college or their local city or state school, and then turned into fabulously productive and insightful people. Conversely, I've work…

Could the more selective intake account for most of the higher hit rate? I have a hard time believing either education is actually better, except a fancier school helps build a network faster and increase chances of being sponsored/hired by alumni.

Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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Current CSU Lecturer here, working for one of our largest campuses. Since I started 10 years ago, my department (CS) has seen more than double the amount of enrollment. Projections for us are to double again in the next 4 years or so. The decline in student population might be a thing system-wide, but not for certain areas like STEM. Edit: Also, we have lost quite a few faculty due to our poor pay, which makes our ov…

CS enrollment spiked like crazy in general though, not sure if anything about university system health could be gleaned from that.
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