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Pilot of Boeing flight says he lost control after instrument failure

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Re: Pilot of Boeing flight says he lost control after instrument failure

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Post by tptacek »

notRobot wrote: post #80
tptacek wrote: post #76

If you watch The Aviation Herald, this kind of reporting feels a little like trying to write news stories off VAERS data. Crazy shit is happening more or less all the time in planes; the idea isn't that nothing ever goes wrong, but that layered controls prevent injuries or hull losses. It's not that there necessarily isn't a thru-line to these stories. And I read "Flying Blind" like everyone else and share the popula…

This is worthy of reporting. 50+ people were injured, one is in severe condition.

Flight control incidents that cause injuries are not hard to find on avherald.

I guess I'm not saying it isn't worth reporting. Before the Boeing Narrative set in, these kinds of stories did get reported! But now they're tied into this long-running Boeing arc, and it's frustrating because there isn't enough in the story to know what's really going on.

Re: Pilot of Boeing flight says he lost control after instrument failure

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Post by bigbillheck »

aniftythrifrty wrote: post #51
joecasson wrote: post #3

A blip of zero controls - not ideal! Although hearsay from a passenger hardly sounds reliable. The thing I'm wondering is: are quality issues happening elsewhere? Or are we caught in an anti-Boeing hype cycle? I'm skeptical whenever the media really grabs hold of a narrative that's so one-sided.

Carry that skepticism forward when reading anti-Israel headlines.

In the sense that there's evidence of a problem with planes right now, and the question is if that problem was already there, whereas there's evidence of IDF war crimes right now, and the question is if they've always been doing them?

Re: Pilot of Boeing flight says he lost control after instrument failure

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Post by astrange »

Don't think I like the news article structure where the reporter spends half the article listing everything bad that happened recently, that isn't actually a cause of the event, but is just there to make you feel bad about who they've decided to make the article about.

Re: Pilot of Boeing flight says he lost control after instrument failure

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Post by bigbillheck »

psunavy03 wrote: post #28
zoeysmithe wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" hearsay from a passenger hardly sounds reliable." Maybe, but also the alternative is that pilots may be pressued not to report these things due to career or crony capitalist concerns like pressure from their employer or are told this crash is 'normal'. Airlines and Boeing are not "nice guys" and are historically toxic and vindictive companies against the working class. So that leaves us whistleblowers of lower prof…

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What would that reason be?

Re: Pilot of Boeing flight says he lost control after instrument failure

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Post by 627467 »

tptacek wrote: post #81
notRobot wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is worthy of reporting. 50+ people were injured, one is in severe condition.

Flight control incidents that cause injuries are not hard to find on avherald. I guess I'm not saying it isn't worth reporting. Before the Boeing Narrative set in, these kinds of stories did get reported! But now they're tied into this long-running Boeing arc, and it's frustrating because there isn't enough in the story to know what's really going on.

Maybe what most people are truly concerned is the Boeing Narrative?

Increasingly more than just a narrative

Re: Pilot of Boeing flight says he lost control after instrument failure

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Post by kulahan »

tptacek wrote: post #81
notRobot wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is worthy of reporting. 50+ people were injured, one is in severe condition.

Flight control incidents that cause injuries are not hard to find on avherald. I guess I'm not saying it isn't worth reporting. Before the Boeing Narrative set in, these kinds of stories did get reported! But now they're tied into this long-running Boeing arc, and it's frustrating because there isn't enough in the story to know what's really going on.

Could you link a few with injuries anywhere near this size? I feel like that’d be national news, so it’s surprising to hear it’s happening often.

Re: Pilot of Boeing flight says he lost control after instrument failure

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Post by [deleted] »

bbor wrote: post #29
rco8786 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea I have the same question. Objectively it appears that Boeing is having some really serious safety issues. Things that absolutely do not jive with what we’ve been taught our entire lives about how safe airline travel is. But I’m open to the idea that 5-10 “major” incidents a year is maybe within the normal range and we just don’t ever hear about them.

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Re: Pilot of Boeing flight says he lost control after instrument failure

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Post by tptacek »

627467 wrote: post #87
tptacek wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flight control incidents that cause injuries are not hard to find on avherald. I guess I'm not saying it isn't worth reporting. Before the Boeing Narrative set in, these kinds of stories did get reported! But now they're tied into this long-running Boeing arc, and it's frustrating because there isn't enough in the story to know what's really going on.

Maybe what most people are truly concerned is the Boeing Narrative? Increasingly more than just a narrative

Do you know that or do you just feel it? If you know it, how do you know? Is that knowledge reflected in the reporting?

If you camped avherald watching for incidents, and you had an inciting incident like the door plug (indisputably a major story!) to start from, could you create the same narrative for Bombardier? I think you could.

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