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California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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Post by ramesh31 »

KerrAvon wrote: post #4

The article is pretty light on facts. I wish there was some real analysis here. There's no shame in going to CSU traditionally; lots of great schools in the system and certainly fine alumni.

>There's no shame in going to CSU traditionally; lots of great schools in the system and certainly fine alumni.

Nonsense. Everyone knows that CSU grads are viewed as strictly second tier to UC grads in this industry, even though CSU standards are higher than just about any other state university. It's the most pathetic and meaningless form of credentialism I've ever seen, but don't pretend like it isn't the case. Even Merced is seen as above Cal Poly.

Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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Post by r00fus »

KerrAvon wrote: post #4

The article is pretty light on facts. I wish there was some real analysis here. There's no shame in going to CSU traditionally; lots of great schools in the system and certainly fine alumni.

CSU contains the very highly regarded Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. As with other networks of schools there are more desirable and less desirable ones, but yeah, it's IMHO pretty close to a U of [STATE] in quality.

Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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Post by lxm »

KerrAvon wrote: post #4

The article is pretty light on facts. I wish there was some real analysis here. There's no shame in going to CSU traditionally; lots of great schools in the system and certainly fine alumni.

Probably a better link but PDF https://collegecampaign.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/2023_...

Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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Post by simplicio »

khazhoux wrote: post #6
panzagl wrote: post #3

I know when my daughter started college 5 years ago, the dean was up front that there was a demographic cliff coming up, I wonder how much of the decline is that.

what's a "demographic cliff"?

Slowing birth-rates mean fewer kids means fewer prospective college students.

Suspect this and a tight labor market are the two driving factors.

Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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Post by aniftythrifrty »

wl wrote: post #10
readthenotes1 wrote: post #5

The headline could read: Parents and children are waking up to the student loan con game.

In-state tuition for the CSUs is on the order of $13,000/yr. I don't think an aversion towards student loans explains this.

If only that even closely resembled the true cost to attend college.

Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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Post by toomuchtodo »

khazhoux wrote: post #6
panzagl wrote: post #3

I know when my daughter started college 5 years ago, the dean was up front that there was a demographic cliff coming up, I wonder how much of the decline is that.

what's a "demographic cliff"?

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/23428166/college-enrollmen... ("Vox: The incredible shrinking future of college")

Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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Post by bruceb »

ramesh31 wrote: post #11
KerrAvon wrote: post #4

The article is pretty light on facts. I wish there was some real analysis here. There's no shame in going to CSU traditionally; lots of great schools in the system and certainly fine alumni.

>There's no shame in going to CSU traditionally; lots of great schools in the system and certainly fine alumni. Nonsense. Everyone knows that CSU grads are viewed as strictly second tier to UC grads in this industry, even though CSU standards are higher than just about any other state university. It's the most pathetic and meaningless form of credentialism I've ever seen, but don't pretend like it isn't the case. Eve…

You think the avg CSU student is going to perform the same as avg UC student?

Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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Post by ramesh31 »

bruceb wrote: post #18
ramesh31 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There's no shame in going to CSU traditionally; lots of great schools in the system and certainly fine alumni. Nonsense. Everyone knows that CSU grads are viewed as strictly second tier to UC grads in this industry, even though CSU standards are higher than just about any other state university. It's the most pathetic and meaningless form of credentialism I've ever seen, but don't pretend like it isn't the case. Eve…

You think the avg CSU student is going to perform the same as avg UC student?

> You think the avg CSU student is going to perform the same as avg UC student?

Thanks for proving the point.

Re: California State University system sees unprecedented decline in enrollment

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Post by toomuchtodo »

panzagl wrote: post #3

I know when my daughter started college 5 years ago, the dean was up front that there was a demographic cliff coming up, I wonder how much of the decline is that.

Structural demographics are likely a component, but also potential students evaluating the cost based on evidence of value.

https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/careers/college-degree-jobs-un... | https://archive.today/oyc5e ("WSJ: Half of College Grads Are Working Jobs That Don’t Use Their Degrees")

> That is the key finding of a new study tracking the career paths of more than 10 million people who entered the job market over the past decade. It suggests that the number of graduates in jobs that don’t make use of their skills or credentials—52%—is greater than previously thought, and underscores the lasting importance of that first job after graduation.

Imagine how much effort and fiat was incinerated in aggregate for folks to obtain schooling and a credential that is effectively worthless.

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