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Re: Devin: AI Software Engineer

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Post by throwway120385 »

andrewmutz wrote: post #36
mattlondon wrote: post #8

There is no way this is going to make it so that "engineers can focus on more interesting problems and engineering teams can strive for more ambitious goals." Instead it will mean that bosses can fire 75-90% of the (very expensive) engineers, with the ones who remain left to prompt the AI and clean up any mistakes/misunderstandings. I guess this is the future. We've coded ourselves out of a job. People are smiling an…

> Instead it will mean that bosses can fire 75-90% of the (very expensive) engineers, with the ones who remain left to prompt the AI and clean up any mistakes/misunderstandings. We continually hear anxiety about technology leading to mass unemployment and it keeps not happening. Instead, workers tend to have higher productivity, which drives higher wages. Technological advancements transformed agriculture from being…

Meanwhile we all spend more of our time working for someone else and living our lives with greater intensity than in the days of agriculture.

Re: Devin: AI Software Engineer

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Post by eloisant »

siva7 wrote: post #17
mattlondon wrote: post #8

There is no way this is going to make it so that "engineers can focus on more interesting problems and engineering teams can strive for more ambitious goals." Instead it will mean that bosses can fire 75-90% of the (very expensive) engineers, with the ones who remain left to prompt the AI and clean up any mistakes/misunderstandings. I guess this is the future. We've coded ourselves out of a job. People are smiling an…

I would have dismissed this thought a year ago but seeing how fast openai is moving, in 5 years those ai assistants will be what nowadays human junior/intermediate devs are.

That's exactly what people were saying of self driving cars 15 years ago. "We're so close, within 5 years we're have full self driving, and in 10 nobody will need a driver's licence!"

Re: Devin: AI Software Engineer

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Post by jasfi »

Is Devin a new LLM? Perhaps equiped with code and deploy plug-ins? The comparisons against other LLMs would suggest so.

The real world eval benchmark puts Claude 2 way ahead of GPT-4, which doesn't sound right.

Re: Devin: AI Software Engineer

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Post by happymellon »

_factor wrote: post #22
mattlondon wrote: post #8

There is no way this is going to make it so that "engineers can focus on more interesting problems and engineering teams can strive for more ambitious goals." Instead it will mean that bosses can fire 75-90% of the (very expensive) engineers, with the ones who remain left to prompt the AI and clean up any mistakes/misunderstandings. I guess this is the future. We've coded ourselves out of a job. People are smiling an…

Or maybe the best engineers will be able to shine since they have the best ai management ability with the coding knowledge. Let’s give all the shovelers spoons and live in the past where we can ignore the benefits technology can bring because we’re so afraid of what it means about the way we run society.

> Or maybe the best engineers will be able to shine since they have the best ai management ability with the coding knowledge.

Considering we haven't seen talent rise to management, I'm not sure what makes you think that management will improve now.

Re: Devin: AI Software Engineer

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Post by [deleted] »

andrewmutz wrote: post #36
mattlondon wrote: post #8

There is no way this is going to make it so that "engineers can focus on more interesting problems and engineering teams can strive for more ambitious goals." Instead it will mean that bosses can fire 75-90% of the (very expensive) engineers, with the ones who remain left to prompt the AI and clean up any mistakes/misunderstandings. I guess this is the future. We've coded ourselves out of a job. People are smiling an…

> Instead it will mean that bosses can fire 75-90% of the (very expensive) engineers, with the ones who remain left to prompt the AI and clean up any mistakes/misunderstandings. We continually hear anxiety about technology leading to mass unemployment and it keeps not happening. Instead, workers tend to have higher productivity, which drives higher wages. Technological advancements transformed agriculture from being…

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Re: Devin: AI Software Engineer

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Post by noncoml »

andrewmutz wrote: post #36
mattlondon wrote: post #8

There is no way this is going to make it so that "engineers can focus on more interesting problems and engineering teams can strive for more ambitious goals." Instead it will mean that bosses can fire 75-90% of the (very expensive) engineers, with the ones who remain left to prompt the AI and clean up any mistakes/misunderstandings. I guess this is the future. We've coded ourselves out of a job. People are smiling an…

> Instead it will mean that bosses can fire 75-90% of the (very expensive) engineers, with the ones who remain left to prompt the AI and clean up any mistakes/misunderstandings. We continually hear anxiety about technology leading to mass unemployment and it keeps not happening. Instead, workers tend to have higher productivity, which drives higher wages. Technological advancements transformed agriculture from being…

You are missing an “in the long run”

I thought the “The grapes of wrath” were exactly about the transient effects of the agricultural transformation.

Re: Devin: AI Software Engineer

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

Humans seek work that provides satisfaction and meaning in their life.

For every technological advancement, artisans are the first to be made obsolete.

Sure we have landfills full of unworn textiles, the market says its good, but overall, we keep destroying what allows humans to seek meaning.

Our governments and society have made it clear, if you don't produce value, you don't deserve dignity.

We have outsourced art to computers, so people who don't understand art can have it at their fingertips.

Now we're outsourcing engineering so those who don't understand it can have it done for cheap.

We hear stories of those who don't understand therapy suggesting AI can be a therapist, of those who don't understand medicine suggesting AI can replace a doctor.

What will be left? Where will we be? Just stranded without dignity or purpose, left to rot when we no longer produce value.

I ask this question often, with multiple contexts, but to what end? Who benefits from these advancements? The CEO and shareholders, sure, but just because something can be found for cheaper, doesn't mean it improves lives. Our clothes barely last a year, our shoes fall apart. Our devices come with pre-destined expiration dates.

Where will we be in the future? Those born into money can continue passing it around, a cargo cult for the numbers going up. But what about everyone else?

Re: Devin: AI Software Engineer

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Post by anonzzzies »

hackerlight wrote: post #9

This is where inference speed starts to matter. H100 might be cheaper per inference than Groq but cutting down the wait time from 1 minute to 10 seconds could be a big deal.

Have you tried Groq? We did a few days testing on replacing gpt4-turbo with it and, while incredibly fast, the results were horrible, even after a lot of specific prompt engineering. So many hallucinations and such. Our products all have to do with strict generation and software quality; it basically has to fill in the blanks but it was incredibly hit or miss. Some results came in within a second so even a few iterations beat gpt4 when correct, but some needed so many (that we quit) iterations that gpt4 beat it hands down.

Re: Devin: AI Software Engineer

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Post by cyrialize »

swatcoder wrote: post #20
mattlondon wrote: post #8

There is no way this is going to make it so that "engineers can focus on more interesting problems and engineering teams can strive for more ambitious goals." Instead it will mean that bosses can fire 75-90% of the (very expensive) engineers, with the ones who remain left to prompt the AI and clean up any mistakes/misunderstandings. I guess this is the future. We've coded ourselves out of a job. People are smiling an…

The printing press replaced the need for scribes but introduced the need for typesetters. Talented scribes did cool things with illustrations and flourishes that were lost in the transition, but ultimately spent quite a lot of their time stroking the letter "e" or "i" or whatever. Meanwhile, typesetters found themselves in a whole new creative domain which was a different one than the scribes had been working in whil…

I understand where you are coming from, but I think using the impact of the printing press to help predict the future of careers and AI is flawed.

I think AI is hard to compare against the past. A printing press replaced some jobs, but AI could replace way more jobs.

Maybe it is like the printing press, but without typesetters.

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