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Re: Launch HN: Onedoc (YC W24) – A better way to create PDFs

#161
Why does your dev-local repo[1] README have a link that's described as being the Adobe PDF viewer extension for VS Code but actually link to an extension that uses pdf.js by a company called Mathematic[2]?

1. https://github.com/OnedocLabs/dev-local>

2. https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=mathemat...>

Re: Launch HN: Onedoc (YC W24) – A better way to create PDFs

#162
Congrats on the launch. I was a user of htmldocs back in the day, good to see more products in the space.

One of the features I wish I had with htmldocs was the ability to automatically store generated documents in my own S3. I'd rather not introduce another cloud to my data stack just to host PDFs.

Re: Launch HN: Onedoc (YC W24) – A better way to create PDFs

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Congrats on the launch, I guess, but there are so many free options that I can't think of a situation where paying $0.25 per document would be justified...? Just to name a few:

Back in the days, I used to use XSL-FO [0] and it was okay. It was not very precise but it rarely if ever broke, and was perfectly integrated with an XML/XSLT solution. Yeah, this was a long time ago.

Last month I used html-to-pdfmake [1] and it's also not very precise and more fragile, but very efficient and fast.

Yet another approach would be to pro grammatically generate .rtf files (for example) and use Pandoc [2] to produce PDFs (I have not tried this in production but don't see why it wouldn't work).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XSL_Formatting_Objects

[1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/html-to-pdfmake

[2] https://pandoc.org/

Re: Launch HN: Onedoc (YC W24) – A better way to create PDFs

#164
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving credit where it's due, I can appreciate Microsoft for introducing XPS as an alternative to pdf. There was a time, when not every software had "export to pdf". So, having a "print to pdf" meant installing (often pirated) Adobe Acrobat or installing a sketchy free(ware) printdriver software downloaded from sourceforge. MS adding xps print driver to windows enabled sharing docs consistently (within windows ecosys…

Indeed, we need to give credit to MS for what they did. However, it didn't catch up as you mentioned, maybe due to timing, skepticism toward MS, or the complexity of moving from Adobe to MS for PDF management. I will dig a bit into it and come back later if I find anything interesting.

Thank you!!!

Re: Launch HN: Onedoc (YC W24) – A better way to create PDFs

#165
post #161

Why does your dev-local repo[1] README have a link that's described as being the Adobe PDF viewer extension for VS Code but actually link to an extension that uses pdf.js by a company called Mathematic[2]? 1. https://github.com/OnedocLabs/dev-local > 2. https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=mathemat... >

Well I'm not entirely sure why they did that, Adobe is the original creators of the PDF format [1] as given by this Wikipedia article on PDFs which might mean they meant something more like a viewer for *Adobe's PDF format* rather than *Adobe's viewer* for PDFs.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF

Re: Launch HN: Onedoc (YC W24) – A better way to create PDFs

#166
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May be this is just me but this looks extremely costly to me! It will cost $2,500 to generate 50,000 PDFs. Are edits/corrections additional cost?

I second this. Maybe I'm missing something in the value proposition, but we already generate PDFs from .docx/.html templates using open source libraries and Docker microservices. Do not misunderstand. A Stripe for generating PDFs can be great, but for a small team, $0.50/PDF is way more than I can afford (after all, you can create a small number of PDFs without too much fuss). Maybe you are oriented towards large com…

> $0.50/PDF is way more than I can afford

But isn't that 100x what they're actually charging--at least for an enterprise account? Their pricing page says "from $0.005/doc." (Though I'm not sure how much work "from" is doing there.) Pro tier is, admittedly, more like $0.12 per document (assuming you use your full quota). But still much less than $0.50/

I'm generally very confused by the various assertions in this thread about their pricing. What am I missing?

Re: Launch HN: Onedoc (YC W24) – A better way to create PDFs

#167
post #161

Why does your dev-local repo[1] README have a link that's described as being the Adobe PDF viewer extension for VS Code but actually link to an extension that uses pdf.js by a company called Mathematic[2]? 1. https://github.com/OnedocLabs/dev-local > 2. https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=mathemat... >

Sorry for the misunderstanding, we indeed "meant something more like a viewer for Adobe's PDF format rather than Adobe's viewer for PDFs.". We will make sure to change the wording. Thank you!

Re: Launch HN: Onedoc (YC W24) – A better way to create PDFs

#168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the long term, ~$0.005 per page (as opposed to document, which I assume hatchedlake meant) say on a mortgage document (~300 pages per) it adds up. The other alternative, which is to build this in-house (say 3 months and custom build, edge cases, such goodies), is more desirable (for us).

I was looking at https://www.onedoclabs.com/pricing which says $0.005 per document, not page.

We indeed price starting at $0.005 per document, but have slightly updated the pricing following the good input we received yesterday from the community - hence the slight discrepancy in comments.

Re: Launch HN: Onedoc (YC W24) – A better way to create PDFs

#169

Useful service and a large problem space. Congrats and all the best. As someone who is a target customer, my 2 cents: a. If this is a strategic value for my pipeline (and it is), we are going to code it ourselves, only because we can host it inside our fences. Critical customer data and hence. b. The pricing is way off and is not reflective of the cost or value (for us). Even if it was 1/10th of the prices you charge…

certifications (SOC2 / ISO27001) and offer an on-premise solution! I see there's already a discussion about pricing, so I'll leave that be. However, would an unlimited volume at a fixed cost (and self-host) be an attractive solution? It could be interesting for very high volumes.

Re: Launch HN: Onedoc (YC W24) – A better way to create PDFs

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FYI: the open source state of the art in this area is Playwright (the successor to Puppeteer) with Paged.js ( https://pagedjs.org/ ). I highly recommend that everyone check out and donate to paged.js, it's a fantastic project with lots to like. It certainly blows commercial alternatives like Prince XML out of the water. That forms a solid foundation that I find it hard to imagine paying for. The things where you migh…

I think https://github.com/diegomura/react-pdf is closer to what this company is doing. In fact their open source library, https://github.com/OnedocLabs/react-print-pdf , seems like a higher-level library that sits above react-pdf. Reminds me a lot of the set of react-pdf based components I built for a corporate job where letting users create PDFs was a huge part of the value proposition. They're solving a really coo…

Exactly. We are aiming at offering a solution to build complex PDF design. Which means having 100% control over the layout (margin, header, footer), the style and also the content. That's why we integrated Tailwind, CharkraUI, Markdown, LaTeX, and also wanted to support SVG etc.
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