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Re: Julian Assange Talk Show on RT channel

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Post by jdjiaikej » Sun, May 13, 2012, 6:55 PM UTC

mseebach wrote: post #21

JBiserkov wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is apparently a rule that says it’s perfectly OK for a journalist to work for a media outlet owned and controlled by a weapons manufacturer (GE/NBC/MSNBC), or by the U.S. and British governments (BBC/Stars & Stripes/Voice of America), or by Rupert Murdoch and Saudi Prince Al-Waleed Bin Talal (Wall St. Journal/Fox News), or by a banking corporation with long-standing ties to right-wing governments (Politico),…

The problem with that analysis: "US media isn't perfect" ==> "Any media outlet that isn't perfect is as good as the US media". The key indictment of US media is that they all disagreed with him on the Iraq war, at least in the beginning. What's missing from the analysis is degrees of imperfection. RT will tout the Kremlin line even to the point of being comical. Even if Assange's show doesn't contribute to this, he s…

Haha. Assange serves to legitimize the rest of the channel. Good one!

Re: Julian Assange Talk Show on RT channel

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Post by digitalengineer » Sun, May 13, 2012, 7:06 PM UTC

nextparadigms wrote: post #26

ldehaan wrote: post #6

I am curious what other people think of the rt.com channel. It is a Russian funded news organization and I have heard that it is just a propaganda tool, but a lot of the news seems very legit especially the coverage of all things our mass media ignores or hides. I used to watch it slot but found myself increasingly aware of even more crap I didn't know or government was doing. I found myself wondering if it is just a…

That's exactly why I disagree with US banning Twitter accounts that "spread propaganda", even if I have no interest in them myself. But imagine US being at war with UK, and then banning any communication from UK because they are "spreading anti-US propaganda" about the war. But I'd much rather see what both sides have to say about the war then just believe the US lies or half-truths. Perspective is good. People shoul…

Yeah a US and UK war does sound rather stupid... Oh wait...

Re: Julian Assange Talk Show on RT channel

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Post by davidhollander » Sun, May 13, 2012, 8:03 PM UTC

ldehaan wrote: post #6

I am curious what other people think of the rt.com channel. It is a Russian funded news organization and I have heard that it is just a propaganda tool, but a lot of the news seems very legit especially the coverage of all things our mass media ignores or hides. I used to watch it slot but found myself increasingly aware of even more crap I didn't know or government was doing. I found myself wondering if it is just a…

> Would anyone here know the validity or the restrictions with which the news people are constrained to tell the whole story?

Only the rules of validity that restrict all statements, such as the law of non-contradiction. Individuals such as yourself are the only agent of restriction for all sources of news.

You might enjoy the interviews of Jan Helfeld, who attempts to hold journalists and foreign policy officials to the law of noncontradiction: http://www.youtube.com/user/janhelfeld

Re: Julian Assange Talk Show on RT channel

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Post by geoka9 » Sun, May 13, 2012, 8:03 PM UTC

runn1ng wrote: post #15

ldehaan wrote: post #6

I am curious what other people think of the rt.com channel. It is a Russian funded news organization and I have heard that it is just a propaganda tool, but a lot of the news seems very legit especially the coverage of all things our mass media ignores or hides. I used to watch it slot but found myself increasingly aware of even more crap I didn't know or government was doing. I found myself wondering if it is just a…

They are OK if they are not reporting about Russia and/or former Soviet Union republics. Once they report about Russia, it snaps to "Putin is God, anyone not agreeing with him should be put to jail" mode.

They are OK if they are not reporting about Russia and/or former Soviet Union republics.

And the US, sometimes. It seems that "sticking it to America" is the main reason RT was created in the first place, so it shows in some of their US coverage.

Nevertheless, we don't live in an ideal world and I think it's good to have both RT and Western media, and all those news sources in between.

Re: Julian Assange Talk Show on RT channel

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Post by kefs » Sun, May 13, 2012, 9:32 PM UTC

So far, RT seems to be the only source of US News with which the US propaganda machine hasn't been able to infiltrate. I miss the Al-Jazeera English of years yonder.

Unfamiliar with RT? Watch Live and decide for yourself:

https://rt.com/on-air/

Re: Julian Assange Talk Show on RT channel

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Post by halayli » Sun, May 13, 2012, 9:35 PM UTC

kefs wrote: post #35

So far, RT seems to be the only source of US News with which the US propaganda machine hasn't been able to infiltrate. I miss the Al-Jazeera English of years yonder. Unfamiliar with RT? Watch Live and decide for yourself: https://rt.com/on-air/

RT is just a different propaganda.

Re: Julian Assange Talk Show on RT channel

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Post by jlgreco » Sun, May 13, 2012, 9:56 PM UTC

jewbacca wrote: post #28

jlgreco wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"funded news organization and I have heard that it is just a propaganda tool, but a lot of the news seems very legit especially the coverage of all things our mass media ignores or hides." This has also been my experience with Al Jazeera English. This sort of thing makes me wonder what other sorts of things are not as portrayed to us in the 'free' world.

I still think largely well of AJE, and check it almost every day mostly for its editorial emphasis on major African and Asian political events that even the BBC tends to bury. But their reporting on some topics that I know well enough to read critically (some scare pieces they did on Anonymous, prior to the Arab Spring, come to mind[0]) can be awful, and stink of the same sloppy bias it is the popular perception that…

I can definitely believe that, though to be fair I'm not really aware of any major news outlet that gives sensible coverage to Anonymous.

Nobody is perfect I suppose. I mostly stick to getting world news from AJE/BBC type sources and try to get closer to the horses mouth for anything tech related in the slightest.

Re: Julian Assange Talk Show on RT channel

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Post by Tycho » Sun, May 13, 2012, 10:15 PM UTC

ldehaan wrote: post #6

I am curious what other people think of the rt.com channel. It is a Russian funded news organization and I have heard that it is just a propaganda tool, but a lot of the news seems very legit especially the coverage of all things our mass media ignores or hides. I used to watch it slot but found myself increasingly aware of even more crap I didn't know or government was doing. I found myself wondering if it is just a…

I actually like this channel. British news channels have got a bad habit of either depressing the viewers with endless stories about murder and child abuse etc., or bombarding you with 'high-brow' political commentary which is actually devoid of usefulness. RT gives an interesting cross-section of the world news and their panelists are a bit more lively.

Re: Julian Assange Talk Show on RT channel

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Post by Joakal » Mon, May 14, 2012, 12:45 AM UTC

runn1ng wrote: post #16

redcircle wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mainstream press in America is very pro America. They don't air lots of news pieces that would paint a critical picture of the US. Is it any surprise that Assange's show is not aired by the mainstream press? How is RT's slant towards Russia any different from CNN's pro-America stance?

Say what you want, there is still a real democracy in US and people are not put to jail for being against the government.

There's only a duopoly democracy, where the most popular two people are the only potential choices. If you don't like either the two choices, tough luck. Welcome to USA's FPTP.

As for being against USA government, obviously Amazon, Visa and Mastercard's suddenly decided to stop Wikileaks was due to their own decision, not by a visiting congressman?

Re: Julian Assange Talk Show on RT channel

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Post by Joakal » Mon, May 14, 2012, 12:51 AM UTC

cantbecool wrote: post #9

I think Julian should release the leaks on Bank of America that he has been holding over their heads for two years. Here's to hoping it isn't anything too egregious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HBGary#Fallout BoA hired HBGary to spread misinformation.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/02/22/unrelea... An ex-wikileaks member disagreed with wikileaks and 'destroyed' information by destroying the keys. Wikileaks said BoA documents were part of them.