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The internet is slipping out of our reach

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Re: The internet is slipping out of our reach

#11
AI is an old concept and it turns out that if you let a computer think for itself, it'll be objective and without emotional baggage. It's like a child that grows up with a blank slate of mind only to be burdened with the opinions, religions, and politics of peers.

And it turns out that truth hurts. The absolute truth hurts absolutely. Marketing departments, where people are paid to lie, can't have AI spit out truths because it won't sell. That means AI programs must be nerfed and coerced into placing stakeholders first and the rest of mankind second.

We went from ooga booga fire to guns and atom bombs. From economy to slavery. From drugs and medicine to the corona pandemic. Every invention for the greater good can be abused for evil until we don't know any better and eventually the entire pile of greed-fueled mechanisms collapses and everything starts over for the next round of monkeys that'll eventually have a disagreement and split camps.

And if you write an article about the Internet as in the public internet called the Internet, capitalize the I!

Re: The internet is slipping out of our reach

#13
I agree that the mainstream web is becoming increasingly useless, but at the same time, there are counter-movements: search engines like Marginalia, decentralized communities and federated protocols, open-source projects and businesses, "the indie web".

"Small Discord servers, Telegram groups and mailing lists" aren't the only places good stuff happens on the internet, though it might take some deliberate effort to find the right ones.

Re: The internet is slipping out of our reach

#14
This reads to me like a rant. Good material for a blog post but I don't think there is anything particularly profound going on. The internet is not a static place, and parts are always being born and dying. Maybe today is going to be Google search.

There was an interesting question early on in the internet of whether content would be aggregated by corporate entities or whether people would self-host and communicate peer-to-peer. The question has been answered - corporate entities (points at the Y logo at the top of the page) do a much better job of curating spaces. This has implications that a lot of content will be lost sooner or later, but at least the big repositories like Wikipedia make copying data out easy.

I don't even think communities retreating to Discord is a bad thing. The public internet is too small; we can't all fit in it. Private spaces might be a big net win. It'd be a win if someone figured out how to force OSS to win at the protocol level so interoperability is easier; that is a major Achilles heel in the whole setup right now. But that problem has never really been solved (unless you're the sort of person who doesn't understand why IRC got marginalised).

Re: The internet is slipping out of our reach

#15
That is definitely true about search. Google ruined it, like they ruin most things. The more hand-curated style of the old Yahoo was far superior. Yes, Google was superior in search in the short-term, but their automated algorithms came with the inevitable attachment of the future of gaming their algorithms. The modus operandi of Google is to provide a highly-centralized automated service that at first appears superior, but in reality is just a mechanism of arbitrary wealth concentration through advertisements.

Of course, AI is going to make matters much worse, and already is in fact. It's the supercharger for corporate greed.

The solution would be to impose limits on the internet. The combination of the internet and large corporations is a disaster, so we need to limit large corporations. `Free' services from Google, Apple, and Microsoft must end, and corporate activity on the internet must be severely curtailed. AI companies should be dismantled and forced into bankruptcy.

Even if the resulting internet were much slower and with less shiny goodies, it would be far better for the people without corporate involvement.

Re: The internet is slipping out of our reach

#17
> If you searched Google for a movie review in 2005, you'd get a review. Today, you get paid search results, ads, third-party cookies, trackers, newsletter prompts, notification requests, and, if you're lucky – a movie review. No matter what you search for, SEO-hacked content farms will blot out the sun.

This resonates, but I tried it, and it looks false. On both kagi and google, for both an old and a new movie (finding nemo and dune 2), the first result is a movie review that doesn't seem overly laden in shit.

Re: The internet is slipping out of our reach

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AI is an old concept and it turns out that if you let a computer think for itself, it'll be objective and without emotional baggage. It's like a child that grows up with a blank slate of mind only to be burdened with the opinions, religions, and politics of peers. And it turns out that truth hurts. The absolute truth hurts absolutely. Marketing departments, where people are paid to lie, can't have AI spit out truths…

AI cannot be objective because it mirrors the bulk of humanity with all its follies. Marketing departments don't have to nerf AI because AI already outputs the irrationality and stupidity of what is on the internet.

Re: The internet is slipping out of our reach

#19

That is definitely true about search. Google ruined it, like they ruin most things. The more hand-curated style of the old Yahoo was far superior. Yes, Google was superior in search in the short-term, but their automated algorithms came with the inevitable attachment of the future of gaming their algorithms. The modus operandi of Google is to provide a highly-centralized automated service that at first appears superi…

Is this satire?

Re: The internet is slipping out of our reach

#20

That is definitely true about search. Google ruined it, like they ruin most things. The more hand-curated style of the old Yahoo was far superior. Yes, Google was superior in search in the short-term, but their automated algorithms came with the inevitable attachment of the future of gaming their algorithms. The modus operandi of Google is to provide a highly-centralized automated service that at first appears superi…

>The more hand-curated style of the old Yahoo was far superior.

You say hand-curated, I say political manipulation.

The motives of 1990s people and 2020s people are very different.

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